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kaihoka    785
Now you've made it sound like a CHALLENGE !!

Let me know how you get on

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Beefriendly    272

Are you up to it @yesbut ?

You said it all so well @deejaycee

I'm still a relative newbie to soap making. Having lots of fun, with a truck load of respect for lye

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Bron    1,865

My great Nana and my mother made soap.

 

I vividly remember mum collecting all the fat render from our roasts and mutton chops. The resulting fat was melted down in the copper with a fire lit underneath. Those smell and sights are a vivid childhood memory. The wood, the heat, the melting fat, the big wooden stick they stirred the copper with.

 

The soap at our house was used in the kitchen sink inside a can with holes in the bottom punched in with nails as dish wash. It was also used in the laundry to scrub hankies, clothing with stains and the collars and cuffs of dads work shirts. We never used it on ourselves.

 

Great respect was given to bought lye, it was a great innovation in Nanas opinion, she told me of using old methods and homemade lye, and how the soap used to sting if the wood ash wasn't quite right. On your skin, in your eyes.

 

I remember the smell and feel of that soap that they made, how hard it was, and the beige colour. Nana died over 40 years ago she was 86.

 

Once the soap ran out after Nana died out we bought sunlight soap.

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Trevor Gillbanks    4,478

Well, I have made my second lot of soap, but this time using Kawakawa infused olive oil and a bit of lavender essential oil to make it a little smelly. Very basic as I just added to my original brew.

454 gms tallow (beef Dripping)

200 gms Olive oil (100 gms of which was infused with Kawakawa).

210 mils (gms) rain water

84 gms lye

3/4 teaspoon lavender essential oil. Added at trace.

 

Next brew will be made with Walnut oil.

 

@Beefriendly How much walnut shell will you add into the mix and at what stage do you add it. I presume it will not affect the lye calculation.

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deejaycee    2,296

Should be nice and gentle, Trev.

 

You've gone very light on the lavender though - you might find it doesn't come through much, or doesn't stay in the soap for long.

 

Typical usage is probably around 2 - 4% of oil weight for lavender EO. Say at 3% of 654 grams of oil, you should be looking around 19.5 g of lavender essential oil, where you've used maybe 3.5?

 

For the walnut shell, can't tell you how much to add, but I'd add it at light trace - ie, after the lye is added to the oils and as soon as the soap starts to show some body. Don't wait for heavy trace as you want to get it mixed through thoroughly without seizing the soap, and I'd worry about it sinking through the oils if added earlier. No, it won't affect the lye calc.

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Trevor Gillbanks    4,478
You've gone very light on the lavender though - you might find it doesn't come through much, or doesn't stay in the soap for long.

Yes. I found this calculator TheSage - Fragrance Calculator But by then it was too late.

Using essential oils will certainly kick up the cost of the soap.

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deejaycee    2,296

yep, suddenly those $8 bars of handmade soap start to make sense.

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Beefriendly    272

Sounds good @Trevor Gillbanks

I've used finely ground rolled oats. Added a Tbsp at light trace

The recipe I used also had 1Tbsp honey and suggested mixing the oats, honey and aTbsp of an oil or a butter to combine before adding at light trace. It can quickly thicken with the addition of ingredients

I like to do the tonal, pattern thing

 

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Have bookmarked a recipe with 3 Tbsp walnut grinds

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Beefriendly    272

IMG_0585.JPG.46f117390619ca0036078bd0a371a120.JPG As @deejaycee posted

Soap needs a significant quantity of (lavender) EO

I made some small cakes and put dried lavender flower heads as well as the EO

There was more fragrance from the dried lavender

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yesbut    3,330

Can you use kremelta instead of animal fat ?

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Beefriendly    272

This was the first batch that Ive had DOS ( dreaded orange spot) It seemed to improve with curing

The only variance was using EO

From what Ive read it is usually from rancid oil

Maybe @deejaycee has more knowledge?

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deejaycee    2,296
Have you seen this site. 100ml lavender oil is $25.00

Soap and candle supply store

 

just cheap enough to make me a bit suspicious, and no extra information on site makes it a definite no go for me. I want to see the botanical source for it (there are some lesser varieties and near relatives of true lavender that EOs are also made from that are less expensive).

 

Also note the lack of the word 'pure' there anywhere. Not unusual to find essential oils cut with cheap base oils.

 

Check out Gonative or purenature for better examples.

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deejaycee    2,296
This was the first batch that Ive had DOS ( dreaded orange spot) It seemed to improve with curing

The only variance was using EO

From what Ive read it is usually from rancid oil

Maybe @deejaycee has more knowledge?

 

It can be from rancid oils, but there are other causes. It won't retreat, and over time is more will spread through the rest of the bar, so if it improved perhaps it was not true DOS but colour bleed from some additive?.

 

 

What oils and additives did you use?

What sort of water did you use (distilled, tap, rain)?

What tools/pots materials do you use?

 

I've had DOS in repeated batches of dead plain castile that I can only put down to the stainless steel stockpot I used being too cheap a grade - it was the only metal used anywhere in the process. Aside from being a lousy orange shade, it's perfectly nice soap that I use myself.

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Beefriendly    272

Purenature and Gonative are my go to sources

 

@yesbut Kremelta is a vegetable fat oil. Would make very expensive soap. Countdown prices = $13.40/kg

 

We have sourced

$6/litre for pomace olive oil and $6/kg for coconut oil or Tallow = free(homekill) but more labour

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Beefriendly    272

Somewhere I think I've mentioned soaping only started 18 months or so ago

It's becoming a bit like which came first the chicken or the egg?

These lifestyle challenges are all becoming intermingled

You get interested in a new venture and the tangents go from there.

 

 

What oils and additives did you use?

What sort of water did you use (distilled, tap, rain)?

What tools/pots materials do you use?

 

I think it was my go to recipe and the only variance was the lavender EO

Hmm, now I think about it I may have used a Thursday Plantation EO, as I had some I wanted finished.

 

I keep a journal, but usually only of changes made to recipes or if it's worked particularly well.

A photo diary keeps me on track with shelf dates and then I log them into the phone calendar for cured dates

 

Water used is our bore water, which has been previously tested.

The results showed it was acidic, and we now have a filter to correct pH level to neutral. I have checked the pH level with test strips

I use water taken from an outside tap, so it hasn't run through the house lines.

My usual oils are coconut, olive oil and or rice bran, stored in a cool cupboard and used well before expiry dates

(they don't get a change to hang around long)

I use plastic bowls, or containers for measuring and mixing. Silicone scrapers for stirring

The only metal would be on the blade of the stick mixer used to get it to trace

 

It's quite a pretty orange tinge and is more noticeable on the bottom half of the bars ( I cut them in half through the middle)

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These are 2 left over from what I wanted them for and appear fine.

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Daley    2,521
Does any one have a basic recipe for Kawakawa soap (qty please)

My first soap was

Dripping

Lye

Water

I have olive oil infused with Kawakawa (from a friend who makes hand creams). How much of it do I add.

 

Thanks

You literally make it up as you go along and run it through the soap calc.

It depends how much you want to make.

 

So your recipe can be

300 Lard

300 Kawa infused olive oil

Then you use the calc to tell you how much lye and water.

 

All of our recipes have been found online and adapted into our own recipes using a soap calc.

 

Making soap is similar to baking cakes you really can chuck in whatever you want, and it either works or it doesn't, I've always used a recipe as more of a general guideline, just don't do it with the lye.

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Trevor Gillbanks    4,478
You literally make it up as you go along and run it through the soap calc.

It depends how much you want to make.

 

So your recipe can be

300 Lard

300 Kawa infused olive oil

Then you use the calc to tell you how much lye and water.

 

All of our recipes have been found online and adapted into our own recipes using a soap calc.

 

Making soap is similar to baking cakes you really can chuck in whatever you want, and it either works or it doesn't, I've always used a recipe as more of a general guideline, just don't do it with the lye.

Thanks @Daley, That is pretty much what I ended up with.

Now to wait 6 weeks (when I get back from USA) to see how it goes.

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Beefriendly    272

IMG_0770.JPG.58fe65bdb58335a734da9b13ddde6bdb.JPG Thanks @Bron for the photo of your rack

The above is a pic of our version

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Janice    3,600
Thanks @Bron for the photo of your rack

The above is a pic of our version

This could end up as the new hazels . . .

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Bron    1,865
@Janice, just like to say, you started it this time! About the other thing, nah, they all too terrified of @Daley to even contemplate that!:rofl::rofl::what:

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Flossum    5

The cheapest EO.s I have found are at ""pest control solutions" but u have to buy a whole litre of one type .@ $49 and there's only a few flavors .they are concentrates for making possum lures .

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Beefriendly    272

IMG_0781.JPG.4577e2e59aaa1b6d8a8a19cbcba944e3.JPG The walnut shell grinds have now featured in my latest soap

Honey, beeswax, and walnut shells are the additives

For the first time I used some frozen milk cubes instead of water.

It needed 3 days of drying before cutting into bars

The honey slows done the saponification process.

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