varroa strips and oxalic?

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  1. Ahol

    Ahol Nu Bee Beginner

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    Hi all. I noticed a high varroa load in my hive and as I'm after more hives and not honey I put bayvarol strips in and did a mite drop count. I counted over 100 mites dropped in ~14 hours after the strips went in which seems to me to be a shedload. This has got me concerned about the survival of the hive.

    So how fast does bayvarol work - I.e. Should I help my girls out with oxalic vapor (now that it has arrived) and let the strips take care of the varroa in capped cells, or should I just let the strips do their thing?
     
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    Let the strips do it. 100 is not much for bayvarol
     
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    I have been told that bayvarol hits hard and kills most of the varroa in the first 48 hours. I would leave it for a week then do a sugar shake/alcohol wash to see if its working....
     
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    Bayvarol won't kill mites in capped cells. The mites get killed as they come out of cells hence the relatively long treatment time. The initial drop you've noted will be phoretic mites that were on the bees themselves not in cells.
     
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    how did you notice ?
     
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    Bit of sacbrood, dwv, and saw some on the bees and running around
     
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    How big is your hive ?
    From what you describe, 100 mites falling doesn't sound like enough if you can 'see' varroa in the hive

    You should do a sugar shake
     
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    mites on bees doesn't mean much but sacbrood and DWV does.
    mite checking would be the best thing to do. sugar or alcohol wash.
    you simply could have a large amount of mite resistance to bayvarol, but 14 hours is a little to soon. give it 48hrs then check.
     
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    Hive is 2 brood and 1 super, all FD.

    Saw 5 more dwv bees being dragged out of hive today. Will do sugar shake tomorrow if its not raining and report back.
     
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    Did the sugar shake this evening. From just under a cup of bees I counted 8 varroa.

    Does that seem high? The Bayvarol strips went in on Tuesday evening
     
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    So the standard sugar shake is half a cup, which is easy enough to get if you jiggle / pour the bees into a half cup measure over the top of your open hive .

    So we'll go with a count if 4 to 5.
    Yes, it seems a bit high . I'd like to have seen bayvarol take them out by now.
    Even if they are new varroa out of cells that the bayvarol hasn't yet killed, it still seems high .
    I suspect, but can't be sure, that an alternative treatment would be wise
     
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    Thanks, the sugar shake seemed high to me, but wasn't sure.

    Would oxalic vapour be the best? 1 dose now and then check and maybe do again in a week or so if necessary?
     
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    Minimum of 3 treatments 7 days apart. Then retest.
     
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    With oxalic vapour, you will have a continual problem of varroa hiding safely in capped cells.
    MAQS will kill varroa in brood as well as those on bees.
    Then, maintenance doses of oxalic vapour may work once you've knocked the population back
     
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    I treated them with oxalic on Monday evening, as I don't have any MAQS or formic acid. Will do that for 2 more weeks and fingers crossed its all good. Planning to use formic as an autumn treatment on my hives.
     
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    Are beekeepers still using Apistan.I was going to use it this weekend..after a sugar test?
     
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    Question for use...is it too early for bayvarol for autumn?
    After the 8 week stand down,say I tested and mite level still high would I do another round of strips? Or an alternative tr estment?
     
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    Do it for 4 weeks or 5
    You need more than 3 weeks
     
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    Its a curly question Phil
    End of the day if the mite load is still high after treatment then you need to retreat and I would use something different than the first treatment.
    All this DIY acid talk is not for everyone but you could use MAQS or Apivar
     
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    Sweet as mate....hopefully I won't need to but UV confirmed my thoughts...Maqs it will be.
     

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