The soapers thread

Discussion in 'Bee Products & Recipes' started by Bron, Mar 28, 2017.

  1. yesbut

    yesbut Field Bee Donor 2015 Hobbyist

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    Can you use kremelta instead of animal fat ?
     
  2. Beefriendly

    Beefriendly Pupa Beginner

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    This was the first batch that Ive had DOS ( dreaded orange spot) It seemed to improve with curing
    The only variance was using EO
    From what Ive read it is usually from rancid oil
    Maybe @deejaycee has more knowledge?
     
  3. deejaycee

    deejaycee Guard Bee Commercial

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    just cheap enough to make me a bit suspicious, and no extra information on site makes it a definite no go for me. I want to see the botanical source for it (there are some lesser varieties and near relatives of true lavender that EOs are also made from that are less expensive).

    Also note the lack of the word 'pure' there anywhere. Not unusual to find essential oils cut with cheap base oils.

    Check out Gonative or purenature for better examples.
     
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  4. deejaycee

    deejaycee Guard Bee Commercial

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    It can be from rancid oils, but there are other causes. It won't retreat, and over time is more will spread through the rest of the bar, so if it improved perhaps it was not true DOS but colour bleed from some additive?.


    What oils and additives did you use?
    What sort of water did you use (distilled, tap, rain)?
    What tools/pots materials do you use?

    I've had DOS in repeated batches of dead plain castile that I can only put down to the stainless steel stockpot I used being too cheap a grade - it was the only metal used anywhere in the process. Aside from being a lousy orange shade, it's perfectly nice soap that I use myself.
     
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  5. Beefriendly

    Beefriendly Pupa Beginner

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    Purenature and Gonative are my go to sources

    @yesbut Kremelta is a vegetable fat oil. Would make very expensive soap. Countdown prices = $13.40/kg

    We have sourced
    $6/litre for pomace olive oil and $6/kg for coconut oil or Tallow = free(homekill) but more labour
     
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  6. Beefriendly

    Beefriendly Pupa Beginner

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    Somewhere I think I've mentioned soaping only started 18 months or so ago
    It's becoming a bit like which came first the chicken or the egg?
    These lifestyle challenges are all becoming intermingled
    You get interested in a new venture and the tangents go from there.

    I think it was my go to recipe and the only variance was the lavender EO
    Hmm, now I think about it I may have used a Thursday Plantation EO, as I had some I wanted finished.

    I keep a journal, but usually only of changes made to recipes or if it's worked particularly well.
    A photo diary keeps me on track with shelf dates and then I log them into the phone calendar for cured dates

    Water used is our bore water, which has been previously tested.
    The results showed it was acidic, and we now have a filter to correct pH level to neutral. I have checked the pH level with test strips
    I use water taken from an outside tap, so it hasn't run through the house lines.
    My usual oils are coconut, olive oil and or rice bran, stored in a cool cupboard and used well before expiry dates
    (they don't get a change to hang around long)
    I use plastic bowls, or containers for measuring and mixing. Silicone scrapers for stirring
    The only metal would be on the blade of the stick mixer used to get it to trace

    It's quite a pretty orange tinge and is more noticeable on the bottom half of the bars ( I cut them in half through the middle)
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    These are 2 left over from what I wanted them for and appear fine.
     
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    Beefriendly Pupa Beginner

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  8. Daley

    Daley Guard Bee Donor 2014 Platinum Donor '17 Commercial

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    You literally make it up as you go along and run it through the soap calc.
    It depends how much you want to make.

    So your recipe can be
    300 Lard
    300 Kawa infused olive oil
    Then you use the calc to tell you how much lye and water.

    All of our recipes have been found online and adapted into our own recipes using a soap calc.

    Making soap is similar to baking cakes you really can chuck in whatever you want, and it either works or it doesn't, I've always used a recipe as more of a general guideline, just don't do it with the lye.
     
  9. Trevor Gillbanks

    Trevor Gillbanks Field Bee Donor 2016 Semi Commercial Gold Donor '17

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    Thanks @Daley, That is pretty much what I ended up with.
    Now to wait 6 weeks (when I get back from USA) to see how it goes.
     
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    Beefriendly Pupa Beginner

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    IMG_0770.JPG Thanks @Bron for the photo of your rack
    The above is a pic of our version
     
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  11. Janice

    Janice Guard Bee Donor 2016 Hobbyist

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    This could end up as the new hazels . . .
     
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  12. Bron

    Bron Guard Bee Commercial

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    @Janice, just like to say, you started it this time! About the other thing, nah, they all too terrified of @Daley to even contemplate that!:rofl::rofl::what:
     
  13. Trevor Gillbanks

    Trevor Gillbanks Field Bee Donor 2016 Semi Commercial Gold Donor '17

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    Nah. Not really. A rack of hazels would be quite lovely.
     
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    The cheapest EO.s I have found are at ""pest control solutions" but u have to buy a whole litre of one type .@ $49 and there's only a few flavors .they are concentrates for making possum lures .
     
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    Beefriendly Pupa Beginner

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    IMG_0780.JPG IMG_0781.JPG The walnut shell grinds have now featured in my latest soap
    Honey, beeswax, and walnut shells are the additives
    For the first time I used some frozen milk cubes instead of water.
    It needed 3 days of drying before cutting into bars
    The honey slows done the saponification process.
     
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