Oxalic and glycerine

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  1. tony

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    My observation so far is the OA, stays in the towel until it removed, it doesn't seem to evaporate or degrade, the glycerine seems to hold it, obviously then it comes down to how much cloth is left.
     
  2. Philbee

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    Its a tricky one.
    Im not sure it is about dose only.
    Its about having a medium that will stand up to the bees so that they are unable to clean the GL away all at once.
    Im wondering if the bees actually feed on the GL
     
  3. Philbee

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    A mini tampon weighs 2.5g and will hold 35gr of 50/50 OA/GL, total 38g.
    Im heading out to feed and treat so will try a couple in hives.
    Hanging between frames or laying on top??
    What is for sure is they hold a lot of product
     
  4. dansar

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    How would this go in singles? I am taking honey off at the moment and have managed hives this season as single FD brood boxes and will winter as singles. Just wondering if the bees will have enough contact the medium, or better to put a wet back on and treat.
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  5. Philbee

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    A Wet?
    Id be putting at least half a box plus syrup on that along with a whole NZ Herald soaked in OA/GL
     
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  6. Philbee

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    Ive got a good feeling about these tampons.
    Today Ive jammed them between the bottom bars of the second box just above the Brood.
    Just tip the top box back and squeeze it in, easy.
    The Paper tape in some hives is just starting to have it's edges chewed after 3-4 days.
     
  7. oliver

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    sorry new to this way of treating mites,
    could i rely on this instead of bayvarol strips or would i still need to do both ??

    thanks
     
  8. tony

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    I would treat with caution you still want to know whats going on keep close eye on hives, but yes the idea is to use as a treatment
     
  9. Trevor Gillbanks

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    Todays count. 270.
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  10. Philbee

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    What condition is the towel in by now?
    Im seeing dead mites on my paper tape from the box above even although the paper tape is untouched in most hives.
    The bees must be spreading the solution by foot
     
  11. Trevor Gillbanks

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    I will look tomorrow as I have some queens arriving. There is evidence of the towels being removed.
     
  12. Daniel Benefield

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    So did you keep them whole, or unroll them?
     
  13. CraBee

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    If you go here: http://scientificbeekeeping.com/scibeeimages/2016-Beyond-Taktic-pdf.pdf this article outlines the method. Different people on this forum are trying different delivery mechanisms from the show towel that was used in the article. All of these methods are experimental and unproven as yet.
     
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  14. Philbee

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    My wife purchased two types and I scratched round here at home and found some mini's.
    The mini's I used today whole (intact) and they carry 35g of 50/50.
    The other two types were Tampax regular and Oi organic Super.
    Hands down the best of the lot are the Oi organic "super"
    The Tampax are just rubbish and arnt worth mucking with.
    The Oi hold up to 45g and maintain their shape well.
    I doubt if the Oi can be unraveled as they are designed differently than the Tampax.
    The Oi ones cost $5 for 14, 35 cents each at countdown.
    Pak N slave may be less
     
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  15. Philbee

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    Yes I considered this as well
    I would use more larger but thinner slices.
    Having said that Im trying tampons which are small and concentrated.
    maybe the shear volume of the solution in a Tampon will compensate for lack of surface area.
    Multiple units could be used also.
     
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    2 seasons ago I did singles overwinter and they did really well up to September stimulating for growth last season i did all doubles and coupled with the bad weather in spring i fed more syrup per hive than I ever have had. So its packed in singles this winter.
     
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    I noticed a Taupo Beek has packed his hives down into singles in the last few days.
    My thoughts went back to last winter when the bees kept flying and there was no way a single could hold enough stores.
    Maybe this winter will be different, but maybe not.
    Im playing it safe with mostly well stocked doubles.
    My best hives this spring were 3 boxes full on 9th sept.
    These wintered as doubles
     
  18. tony

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    I got a few hives now at week four it appears that this is the stage they really start pulling the cloth out, i found one hive today had absolutely none left on the frames to the point i thought it missed the treatment wasn't till we went to the floor board and noticed torn up cloth trying to be dragged out the door, it wasn't a particularly strong hive either. we put another one in, I've got a feeling i will be doing a second round with this or i may follow straight up with a DIY tymol. or both.
     
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  19. oliver

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    hello,

    just wondering from what people have found so far, is there any cloth/towel that works the best and doesn't get eaten down by the bees ??

    thanks
     
  20. yesbut

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    The specified towels (Scott Original Shop Towel) are available here via the net, at a price that is acceptable for hobbyists.
     

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