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  1. Not hard at all Merk anything to do with "Commerce" or financial gain... She owns the hives but always had the for-mentioned business of 1500 hives running them until the new guy took over. Does that not equal the same thing? Maori Claims Am I wrong???? I work in relationship with Te Runanga O Te Rarawa and meet with these violent men quite alot and violent has never been a word I'd use to describe them. Not met a violent one yet! But see where you are coming from in relation to the article, he has no right to claim retaliation as the hives he refers to are not on his land even if the Manuka is. If the Moari trust had hives on the Maori land nothing would change at present, as the landowner next door would be well entitled to have the other beekeeper on his land too. What the 1.5 km ban would do is not entitle the beekeeper to be next door, in this case the Maori land beekeeper. You have a situation of first come first served. The neighboring beekeeper could not be moved as the Maori land beekeeper could not have hives within 1.5 km of the established site on the neighbors land. Hope that makes sense. Distance of hives from main place of business would have to come into it.. It's a huge problem and all this media will make it worse. The NBA made a great move today with their statement about beekeepers not making $400 per kilo. Nice one Daniel! Hope it appears in the Northern Advocate.
  2. No swarms, just multiple queens head off on their own and start a new colony much like wasps and ants.
  3. I know Maori Beekeepers running their own hives up here in the Far North all of which are good guys and stay far enough apart from each other gentleman's agreement style. Just like Charlie Dunne who would help you set up if you were away from his site "My hives are in such and such-es land Bro" "Sweet I'll not put mine near yours" and that works really well, as it should. No brawls as is so commonly thought. I think what your on about Merk is Maori claims? That is not the Manuka War!!! In Northland the Maori have the land no one wanted that back in the day and now they are getting more land back "DOC land" which is fine in my book. Others may not agree! But they cannot shout retaliation :eek: if they don't develop it themselves.... The problem is some of the bigger companies headed by business men looking for the quick buck from down the line or over seas are up here and pushing their way in on the local beekeepers because of the Manuka Bubble. This was always going to cause problems in my opinion. I think if you were up here, it wouldn't take long to realize it's the Pakeha Business Men causing the so called Manuka War. This is what I have seen, so my opinion.. Some very underhanded tricks are going on like: Employing local Maori men to front the site talks with Iwi's. Offering $60 and more per hive and a share of % gained on honey per year for sites. Which Might I ADD is rarely ever payed. "Ah bad year aye" :mad: whatever.... I know of a woman that had 15 hives up near the cape who had her hives run by a business man and she never seen returns and was always told it was costing more to look after them. She got feed up with this and asked a local Moari man to run the same hives for her last season. He was able to hand her a four digit sum of money which was a huge benefit to that lady. A local Queen Rearing outfit very well established brilliant guy, had hives dropped off a Bee Train almost at the end of his drive way across the road in the neighbors paddock from a down the line "Business" "Beekeeper" what ever you would like to call them. Everyone up here knows to stay away from this guys area as this guy needs the area to be flooded by his own hand selected drone colonies to mate with his virgins. I what to make sure you understand ALL the local beekeepers won't put hives out near this Queen Breeder as they RESPECT his need for space. But not the BIG companies it just a buck they are after. I'd even go as far and say that some of the big companies have changed their name because the local guys here are so Pi**ed off with the original company. Beekeepers playing off Beekeepers, Landowners playing off Landowners and everyone in between. Because of the bigger companies who could afford to move hives huge distances started offering money to landowners 8 or so years ago, so they could get their hives into areas "Manuka Blocks" that already had local beekeepers in. Cat is out now and everyone wants to cash in. So everyone will pay How would you like it if these companies moved in on your areas. Commercials should be limited to 1.5km from another commercial guy. And SHOULD be enforced by Government. That should stop the neighbor letting them in. Hobbyist NO not limited as normally they don't have hive numbers and are not in it for profit so no limit. But should be based on hive numbers per site! Bubble won't burst as Manuka is a great product and NZ needs to defend it from over seas copy rights etc............... Where is John Keys UMF needs help ... That's my opinion!!!!!!!!! David
  4. A company up in Northland set 150,000 Manuka plants last year or the year before so it is been done... How many do you want Janice lolol.
  5. Actually good point Frazz, I retract the use of the word beekeeper in my earlier post. It just get under my skin that someone would kill so many bees for profit and NO one knows who done it, I bet someone does........ I had school hives poisoned this year and stolen. As did another local Beekeeper in Takahue not far from the schools hives. Another local beekeeper had 50 Nuc's in his back yard, when another businessman's hives were moved in beside him, the beekeeper ended up loosing 36 of his nuc's to AFB. It seems because its in Northland no one cares, "they'll be right" so it is no wonder that Charlie said what he said on TV tonight... Some one will get hurt if something is not done, watch this space so to speak!
  6. I'd agree that the land owners are caught up in it too, seeing dollar signs. But who started that??? "Beekeepers" Beekeepers are been displaced because other beek's are offering more, usually bigger companies. So we cannot put all the blame on landowners and if that doesn't work they go next door and offer less....... This of course cause's landowners to talk and try and cash in....
  7. The money is not what concerns me its the blatant way it was done, carbaryl "White Powder" more of a message than anything else..... TOTALLY DISGUSTING jail sentence is fitting this crime. If you killed 90 cattle you would expect a jail term so why not bees they are classed as live stock. The only way I see this ever been resolved is if the 1.5Km distance between another beek's site's are enforced by law. In the rush beek's are moving hives in on top of each other by playing one land owner off another.
  8. Based on Asurequality figures beekeepers make between $12.50 - $80.00 per kilo for Manuka last season Frazz but the three seasons before are more like what is common. API-2011-fm-web (1).pdf
  9. Bron are you sure about the value been wrong Comvita UK 20+ per kilo 259.96 GBP = 506.453 NZD XE currency converter today Look this will add fuel to that fire but people need to realize the added value Comvita add to their product before it can be sold at this price and that 20+ is rare in the NZ industry adding even more value. The thing is the beekeeper will never see this price but if land owners see that price they will demand more dollars for the sites. Not all Manuka is created equal... How much do dairy farmers get per ltr compared to Fonterra been payed by the public??? Same thing as the honey industry. NO???
  10. Sorest spot I think is the arm pit, but the nose is second for sure ouch! Simon did your eye swell like ya were punched by Tyson? I know mine do..
  11. I lost a swarm years ago that flew 12km, the guy (hobbyist) who found and captured it could not believe the queen was painted blue, he had never heard of the marking system before and asked around to find out who it may have swarmed from. So it's quite likely to have swarmed from far away and hills won't stop them mountains will.
  12. BrianM I think personal preferance comes into play their, as I have used both the conical and domed top smokers and have never found a difference. The main difference is price and well the bellows on the Dadant is better " It has a better spring"
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