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  1. Bad news Manz and in trying times not exactly what anyone needs. Word to the wise: [.....our boxes are branded and lids and bases are our own design so we will know them if we ever see them again.....] Unless you catch them within a very short period (I'm talking in transport or shortly thereafter) you haven't got a show! General modus operandi of these scum suckers is to swop the mother load (Frames, stores, brood & bees) into their own gear in the first instance then get rid of the branded and recognisable components (stands, boxes, Lids) by burning or dumping. Your
  2. Love the sentiment; it would be great to have rational people working with each other and everyone getting a fair shake. However I can’t say I’m taken with the idea off a council or any other arbitrarily driven entity creating a legal mess on this matter in the slightest. I can see the perspective where corporate beekeepers and Landowners relatively new to the industry may well see the idea as a magic elixir with regard to poaching, however family and other beekeeping concerns should be aghast at the possible ramifications, indeed once the Corporate concerns were entrenched the legal and
  3. Must be Manuka eh! Nah sorry Gino can't rationalise your message!
  4. Fredericks been busy wiping the egg off his face ‘not’! I started this forum because I considered the negative brigade were dominating the debate and delivering an unbalanced picture of both the Levy Vote and APINZ on multiple platforms with a small number of individuals exhibiting deep seated distrust and vitriol towards APINZ I stand by comments I’ve made through this forum, the main message being: APINZ with a new ‘post yes vote’ board structure would’ve delivered the desired commercial representation to effectively send ‘APINZ incl the commercial sector’ along a new path pre
  5. Crikey I'm glad the votes done and wait for the result like everyone: Hopefully its not a 'Heads we lose / Tails we lose' scenario! Thought it pertinent to requote the following paragraghs from my opening post: Forget the Manuka producers should pay more perspective: Just set the levy at a level accommodating to all (I suggest 10c/kg fits the bill) or do we bitch endlessly of the inequities of various industry income streams! Forget the Manuka’s ruining the industry perspective as follows: Manuka’s not res
  6. No worries Grant understand your position and while I stand by my comment I'm not interested in pushing anyone's buttons! I suggest there's been a reasonable sharing of perspectives particularly later in the forum and I repeat: The most negative perspective in this forum has been the incorrect comments made in relation to the APINZ Hobbyist Rep which I note no moderator / administrator picked up on nor commented on (I suggest a personal apology is warranted). Re: What I do not like is repeated asking of the same questions that have been repeatedly answered. To keep aski
  7. John I'll concede to your appraisal to a degree but only with the rider: These issues aren't the sole domain of the corporates!!
  8. Grant I pushed the parcel with this Forum in an attempt to stimulate discussion on aspects of the Levy vote I considered were being overlooked. Primarily the aspect of the commercial sector attaining what the professed to want with what was sitting on the table with this levy vote. If you read all my main posts and then want to have a crack at me all very good but I stand by the comments I made to Frazz and others earlier in the piece! The most negative perspective in this forum has been the incorrect comments made in relation to the APINZ Hobbyist Rep which I note no a
  9. A voting block from the likes of NZ Beekeeping could be the biggest player on the block? But really I can't say any more than I have apart from, I'm willing to go down this path!
  10. Crikey Daley your definition of corporate is obviously pretty wide reaching; from my experience while not particularly wide spread the practices you describe above are evident in most if not all beekeeping groups from family, new, company and corporate. These issues aren't the sole domain of any one of these groups! And while we might like to think we can influence the business practices of the industry you'll find it hard to regulate most of the above. A strong organisation making representations of your behalf might be the best starting point!
  11. The spends pretty straight forward: It'll ultimately be set by the Commercial sector (those paying). Payment; can't help you there a fact is a fact; I'll live with it!
  12. We'll have to agree to disagree there Daley. I just don't see the corporates having weight of numbers vote wise and I certainly don't see the corporates all agreeing and block voting either!
  13. I completely agree. Would have also added lack of values and ethics. Over the years I've come across many established beekeepers, a good number of new beekeepers and a few corporate beekeepers. I've seen questionable practices that show a lack of beekeeping and industry nous, knowledge and common sense and those I would consider that lack values and ethics. These issues aren't the sole domain of any one of these groups! By far the greatest majority of people and businesses I have associated / dealt with in beekeeping are decent rational people; a good many c
  14. I'd encourage you to desist from this line of questioning Ted: Its inconsequential in the scheme of things
  15. While I'm not keen on being referred to as a 'nice guy' (you'll ruin my image) this is one of the most genuinely positive posts I've read in the Levy debate. A while back I was adamantly a NO voter for a variety of reasons some touched on here, many touched on elsewhere in this forum; then I took a step back, analysed the debate and looked at the options and didn't like the future I saw without a collective yes vote. I decided to see what I could do to open up debate from the perspective of all sides ultimately gaining what they're looking for under the umbrella of a co
  16. I don't even know Paul Martin but fairs fair folks those involved with this mis-information (and cheep shots) should urgently forward their personal apologies directly to Paul
  17. Three and a half days into this forum and we have 3300 views but only 25 people have posted comment; I'm away for a couple of days and will be watching but not commenting. I'd like to take this opportunity to reiterate the positive way forward I'm advocating. I'd also like to thank those willing to engage, comment and build on the perspective from all sides to date: I respect your willingness to put your heads up above the parapets. The deep seated distaste of things APINZ and historical ill-feeling shown by some perplexes me and viewing various web-sites and Facebook
  18. No personal attacks from here just rationalising a perspective. I am thankful you've resisted the urge to post more repetitive‘asked-and-answered-questions’ and twisting words!
  19. Not worries wasn't aware of Trevor announcement (apologies Trevor) but was well aware of Trevor and SNI negative position: As I've stated earlier in this post I'd love them to engage and explain further! Crikey Bron agree 100% with you and John: No place for personal attacks nor the repetitive‘asked-and-answered-questions’ and twisting words bragade! Not dictatorship Trevor: Read the message and talk to me! I haven't targeted anyone or anything but I won't tolerate incessant the 'the same ‘asked-and-answered-questions’ and twisting words' (thanks John) as put forw
  20. Good on you Tommy: There's a lot of smoke and mirrors surrounding hive no's. but then there's hives and 'HIVES'. Frazz I've got a sore bum from sitting in front of the computer and my eyes/glasses are blurry: If that's the only slip I've made I'll be lucky! Better to try from within than to think you're going to be acknowledge outside the walls! Come on Bushy change you vote and help build something!
  21. Firstly I sign major posts Keith Rodie (Fredericks my middle name) and I'm not knocking your head off for anything other than unsubstantiated comments on me personally. I love the fact you're engaging and I hope you have a successful commercial future albeit there's more chance of that following a YES vote!
  22. Hey life's full of hurdles but with the commercial sector 'Co-operating' (unity might be stretching it!) I'm sure we can govern the bureaucrats!
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