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  1. I'm wondering about this. No one was charged (therefore no evidence that it was stolen). Likewise, as a primary product, that can be harvested, it is difficult to claim that it's proceeds of crime. They were planning to export it (like most beekeepers do). If it was packed in a compliant manner, they could make a healthy return, reducing their reliance on criminal behaviour. Seems counter productive really. Seems like there is a whole lot of detail missing from this. Also, I did hear of a drum go missing from a storage shed. Maybe it's one and the same. (Also, I could work for the herald, because I too can copy paste from google search).
  2. Based on our recent shipments, honey is duty free into China, under the NZCHFTA. There is a 13.8% sales tax applied.
  3. There is an iwi owned operation somewhere in the east coast that do it. I think it's Ora honey, might be something else. There are also a couple of operations in Auckland who would pack this quantity. Message me for details/ Via mainfreight, you are looking at $250 to ship the drums to AKL.
  4. Have you considered what each of these trading terms is used for, and how they affect the business? FOB is commonly used where there is a letter of credit in place, allowing the shipper to claim payment upon supply of Bill of Lading to the bank. Most banks won't deal with less than $5 million on an L/C. Most customers don't get to this level, so FOB is less common than you would think. EXW is a common use in the industry, for reasons to do with trust. There is not a lot of it. By trading on a cash basis, companies reduce their credit risk and exposure here. As a business case, you should also consider the risks and benefits of each trading system. Where is the capital cost, who is left holding the bag in event of a cancellation or non-payment, what are the financing requirements for the company w.r.t inventory (10-20 million dollar stock pile). Then also consider forex requirements and duty. Is the customer skilled in overseas purchase? Is the supplier a skilled exporter familiar with entry requirements for your target market? Does the customer want to pay for shipping, or do they want an all inclusive price delivered to their door, and to pay you in Pounds Sterling via their HSBC account in Savile Row? Are you willing to take the Forex risk? Many questions. It comes down to how you manage upside and downside.
  5. Unsurprising. I sent John Rawcliffe an email interested in discussing the pavlova problem of australian jellybush. Not a peep. The only time I had communication from that mob was asking us to change remove reference to their organisation. Defending ones own patch without supporting your neighbour will lead to loss of ground. Great wars are won with strong allies.
  6. Its all a bit odd. Region controllee is governed by E/C law. They actually wrote it into existence. Scientifically, the approach being taken, to use trademark law to protect the identity of New Zealand manuka honey would seem incorrect, when one takes a global perspective. We have a strong adherence to Codex Alimentarius. As do Australia, and many other countries. Most signatories to the UN Accords and World Trade Organisation treaties. There is robust science available that allows for clear identification of honey produced from the nectar of flowers of Leptospermum scoparium. MPI are currently enhancing and validating this science. At which point it will be possible to apply to the International Honey Board for recognition of the 'Manuka Standard'. Product sold as Manuka Honey would need to comply with this standard, as applies to any other honey sold as a certain type or grade. Non-compliance with these standards, or mislabelling, is thus directly limited. No one has to pay to be 'certified', except the labs doing the testing. The product itself is certified, rather than the producer. This is the rational, functional and legally defensible way forward. To attempt to use trademark law leaves the situation open to tortuous litigation. Specifically, because the Australian fauna also possess Leptospermum scoparium, and produce high MGO honey from other leptospermum species with similar levels of antibacterial effectiveness. And the trademark law of New Zealand does not apply in China. NZ Courts can only adjudge on what is within their jurisdiction. This approach is bottom up, rather than top down. Which is why I reiterate that it feels like a desperate move, from a group that seems to be losing market share as the customer becomes increasingly educated and more entrants, especially australian ones, start publicising their MGO rating.
  7. And on another very different note, it would appear that the UMFHA have filed an application for 'Certification' mark covering the words MANUKA HONEY, in a number of classes. Which would seem that they are attempting to trademark something intrinsic. It would seem to me the same as if they were trying to trademark 'Clover Honey' as a certification, or 'Whole Fat Milk'. Which would seem counter to New Zealand's obligations to Codex under our EU third countries registration. Honey is a product, monofloral honey has a 'standard', not a certified trademark that prohibits others from doing the same. Similar to appelation/region controllee. If it is from the region and meets the standard, then it can be called champagne. Even the action of attempting to trademark it would appear to be anti-competitive behaviour, which the Commerce Commission would probably have issues with. I would love to know more about the details of this suit. It will be a complicated one, that's for sure. PDF_Report_TM.pdf PDF_Report_TM.pdf
  8. Working on it with an inventor. Open the lid and it sets off an alarm to your phone. GPS so you can watch your hives drive down the road. Invisible, sits in the brood box embedded in the frames. Can also put it in honey supers. None can detect until it's too late. And affordable. Soon everyone will be using a hundred.
    Very thorough and practical. Just like a good beekeeper!
  9. Look at the areas that now produce dairy. Contrast with the historically strong dairy regions.
  10. The research on Kanuka is interesting. In terms of who is doing it, WHY they are doing it, and how it is being done. Maybe time to create a thread on it.
  11. Well that was an interesting turn of events.
  12. For number one. That is the UMF Honey Association. UMFHA.org.nz Key figures are John Rawcliffe; with a background in the nutraceutical health supplement industry and comvita. No idea. That information would usually be difficult to obtain for a listed company; unless it is a significant shareholding. You could find the share register at their head office; and maybe request under the OIA. But I do not know the answer. This is actually relatively new research that is reliable; but methodology is not yet validated. Hence the MPI project. It is a good method and reliable; and this study supports the statements I made previously regarding the use of unique chemical markers to identify Manuka, when the discussion was only just beginning and MPI were circulating questions. Plausible authentication of manuka honey and related products by measuring leptosperin with methyl syringate. - PubMed - NCBI Plausible authentication of manuka honey and related products by measuring leptosperin with methyl syringate. I have a degree in Chemistry; and a specialisation in turning science talk into common sense english.
  13. It was in South Yarra, Melbourne.
  14. The label also clearly states PRODUCT OF AUSTRALIA.
  15. @frazzledfozzle ozzle. The interim manuka guidelines are of the same view as you. The use of therapeutic claims on labels, such as activity, is prohibited on a food product, as per NZFSA regulations. Stating MGO levels is not. Its a step in the right direction. @Rob&\#039;s BP - Yes. Australian Jellybush tastes rather less delicious. I found this the other day in an IGA. They're not selling it as a therapeutic product, but rather relying on the strength of the Manuka brand to move their stock.
  16. My position was based on the assumption that Manuka (Leptospermum scoparium) is endemic to NZ. It turns out I was wrong. TIt isn't misrepresentation. From: Leptospermum scoparium Manuka is distributed through Australia and New Zealand. Apologies to all concerned. Most australian product containing MGO is however from Leptospermum polygalifolium. Tastes very different. There is high MGO product coming out of Australia. CV are labelling it as Jellybush. NPA 18+. Many are labelling it as Manuka. Most of it is from polygalifolium, not scoparium. Different plants, same basic characteristics. From discussions, the MPI project seeks to identify and verify the chemical markers (leptosperin) and DNA markers that are unique to Manuka, so that a standard can be defined and regulated. The theory is present, as demonstrated in research published last year. It is the methods and validation that are required. Regarding bubble. I believe, that given the huge global demand, and the work being done to define a standard, we will see an increased consumer awareness, enhanced medical application and significantly reduced available global supply, as the counterfeit stock disappears. It wouldn't be surprising to see prices increase significantly further, and for the majority of usage to be in the therapeutic categories. Regarding my Pam's comment. I think you're missing the actual point, and are definitely misconstruing my words. I never said that Pam's was made by a passionless beekeeper, and you are reading the implication incorrectly. Good multifloral honey is excellent, and we go through tonnes of it. It's high quality, delicious and really 'middle of the road' pleasantville. All you have to do is take a good crop and bottle it. It's that simple. The last time I tasted something from a supermarkets budget category, it was very different, and somewhat disappointing. Given how good most honey is, and knowing how packing works, it smelt as if some fermenting honey was mixed with some bitter dandelion honey, blended with some overly heated stock and then backblended with a very average multifloral blend to produce a compliant food product that was between some very specific production parameters. Fermenting honey, burnt honey and bitter honey are all cheaper than good quality M/F. You can blend them together to get a lower cost per kilo, and a honey that doesn't taste as good. But you can't sell burnt, fermenting or bitter honey as is. The same applies to honey with a tutin content over the legal limit. It's legal to sell if it's blended to below MRL's. What it does serve to do is to clear out the stockroom of bad honey, and reduce the overall cost per unit, and increase the profit margin, which is the often the primary driver of large, industrial production and supermarket buyers, as the consumer as well is often highly price sensitive. These practises are not production techniques that I support or believe in. My thinking is that it should go out of the extractor and into drums. Then into the creamer. Then into jars. No blending, mixing, adulteration or otherwise silly business. Just good, clean honey that tastes like the day it was made. It's pretty simple to get right.
  17. Sounds like you need access to a tangential extractor and pricker. Where in Wanganui are you? I make mead in a honey house with a good setup. You could bring the manuka frames by, then spin the manuka out and we can make some mead with it.
  18. I was also going to suggest Abmauri. They make yeast for bread factories.
  19. With Respect to. Long story short Frazz. Placebo helped me feel better. I also have taste and ethics, so eating pam's clover blend, isn't really my thing. I'd much rather enjoy a good tasting single origin wild harvest from the the edges of our fair country, made by a passionate beekeper who has benefited from a premium price for his harvest, over a low quality product that no one other than Pam wanted to put their name on, sold at a loss to the supermarkets just to ensure cashflow was available to pay staff. Foodstuffs drove the Co-Op to the wall, which I believe facilitated their sale to Comvita. My bigger picture issue is the content on Capilano's website, where they are blatantly misrepresenting the facts. A Simplified Overview of the Various Activities in Manuka Honey | Capilano Specifically, they are claiming that Manuka grows both in NZ and Australia, and that the indigenes of both countries used the honey. Effectively, Australia's largest honey supplier, is claiming Manuka as an Australian product. The time frame for the MPI work is two years. We need to act faster than that, other wise Manuka will go the way of Russel Crowe's pavlova, and the value of the product will be eroded, but the misrepresentations won't stop. We have to work together, otherwise other countries will steal a golden opportunity from us. Also Frazz, 5+ has therapeutic effect externally. It is 5% as effective as phenol, and also has the benefits of Hydrogen Peroxidase and Defensin 1. It isn't a 1000+ MGO, but it's probably better than an open wound...
  20. Until there is a really reliable side by side trial that looks at a number of factors, can't really say. I can readily concede that most health food fads and supplements tend to be primarily the turf of Baseless thought. Have a look at Garcinia gamboga, and that marketeers will push as much as they can when they're on to a good thing. Can say that I've currently got the tail end of a flu. Went through the medicine cabinet looking for something to take to help. Decided against strepsils, as they contained Dichlorobenzyl alcohol, which is closely related to a number of known carcinogens. The b vitamins were 5 years past use by date... And the cough syrup contained a number of rather foul sounding chemicals. Opted for a Rooibos Tea with a dollop of Manuka and feel better for it. The Orange blossom honey I used earlier today was also quite good. It would be interesting to look at the actual value proposition for manuka, at a consumer level. The gains created and the pains solved. I feel that any purported internal antibacterial effect is a small part of the bigger picture. Being major food safety concerns, an incredibly high quality of output, w.r.t normal supermarket honey, and a remarkably different flavour that appeals to certain palates. Add to this the proven external effects and I believe there is some 'join the dots' going on.
  21. It may be osmotic effect, not MGO responsible for any perceived internal effect. Osmotic Effect of Honey on Growth and Viability of Helicobacterpylori - Springer
  22. Response: I never said it was proven in humans, or that it was a particularly strong connection. I said I wouldn't be concerned about people eating it, as it 'MAY' help them deal with bloat. I never said BUY MANUKA HONEY BECAUSE IT CURES GASTRIC CANCER. I'm dissapointed that its represented that way. I have offered some resources for discussion, as a counter to the statement that there was no research about internal use. There is some available. There are also alternatives and probably much cheaper. If people want to buy Manuka honey to eat, and to pay a high price for it, who are you to tell them not to. You don't see me at the pub telling people not to buy cocktails and tequila shots because they cost more than beer. Where in the book of rules says that you are allowed to judge peoples choice what makes them feel better, and mentally at ease? This is the same market that drinks whiskey infused with Tiger Penis, and Powdered Rhinocerous horn. The same market that dyes frozen pork red, rinses it with chemicals and then sells it as beef. It consistently alarms me that there are New Zealanders who are interested in undermining a growing national industry. This lack of consideration for the big picture, seems to me to be a deep sociocultural problem. It's like some people would rather be surrounded by a pile of rubble, than a castle. If I can't have it, then no-one should. It's almost childish.
  23. There is now some research that indicates that there are potentially beneficial internal effects to the digestive, gastric and colonic system. Effect of different doses of Manuka honey in experimentally induced inflammatory bowel disease in rats - Prakash - 2008 - Phytotherapy Research - Wiley Online Library Manuka honey against Helicobacter pylori. Gastroprotective effects of honey and glucose-fructose-sucrose-maltose mixture against ethanol-, indomethacin-, and acidified aspirin-induced lesions in the rat And apparently, Manuka honey with Fish oil and Broccoli sprouts! Using Food to Reduce H. pylori-associated Inflammation - Keenan - 2012 - Phytotherapy Research - Wiley Online Library So I wouldn't be too concerned about the people eating it. It may help them deal with bloat. Re MPI standards, will update when I know more.
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