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  1. On 6/01/2019 at 8:41 AM, frazzledfozzle said:


    Its not something we have ever done or do but then most of our sites have an autumn honey dew flow and that is always left on for the bees. 

    South island beekeeping seems to be alot cheaper than north island where feeding is nornal practise. 

  2. 10 hours ago, mischief said:

    Sorry once again I am absolutely gobsmacked!!!!

    And we wonder why we have such a problem with AFB- which according to our local expert- its a stress and or beek related disease.

    The problem is with you lot....Greed.


    Greed is a human condition...not just in bees. 

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  3. I gave a few frames of honey away and they kindly returned me a honey and ginger drink.  It was delicious.  It would work as a product as it has very little honey in it and lots of water.  Remember we have world class water here. 



    Also saw a post with honey and turmeric mixed together as a super antioxidant toxic.  Whack them togther (maybe other things) amd sell them in a capsule for daily consumption. 



  4. 44 minutes ago, jamesc said:

    Yep ... we're all out to make a dollar or two ..... and if there is no dollar in it 'aint worth doing. The catch is for the packing people to realise that they need us peasant people  to make  the product, just as we need packers to market it for us. It's a symbiotic relationship and we need to find a common ground where we can all survive, because at the moment  at  the coal face  it's all about survival.

    Never happen there will always be friction unless the supply chain is owned by one party.  Beekeepers were winning the game now they are losing the game. On balance who has the upper hand over time....according to Warren Buffett the owners of the brands. Which is why he only invests in brands like Coca-Cola and not in a sugar farm..and why he is the 3rd richest person on the planet.   


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  5. 52 minutes ago, Philbee said:

    The disturbance in the force is being caused by this attempt to take and the fight to resist.

    It being caused by Trump and his ability to piss off every world leader, both friend or foe.


    He had mistaken American first for America only.  The combined force of the world is more powerful than America by itself. 


    You and I could debate this forever ??  i am enjoying it..not sure about everyone else ??


    You may be right..however i have history on my side.  The nineteenth century saw a range if life changing events and problem yet look how the world prospered.  There will be bumps but overall the world will keep truckin along. 

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  6. 2 hours ago, Jas said:

    Fair points there @jamesc . Timing is everything so a big part of the setting up of a co-op would be to come up with a system that would enable a quick turn around of supers .

    one option could be to utilise the plant 24/7 for pinch periods to double output . There’s a group of beekeepers over Waipu that have joined forces to put in an extraction plant , so it can be done . I think the most important part is the planning at the start . One beekeeper might want out after 5 yrs , while another may be in for 20 , so clearly set out guidelines need to be put in place to make it work for everyone . 

     One of the biggest threats I see to the industry at the moment is losing skilled staff , especially if current honey prices become the norm . A co-op may be better placed to retain key personnel than individual beekeepers in a pinch . Chances are shareholders will have other enterprises that may be able to employ those staff for short periods  , so as to retain them during the off season . I know it’s pie in the sky stuff , I certainly think it may be an option for some .  

    It great you are thinking about it.  It is what happens to the honey once it in the drum that will make the real difference to the return received. 


    One of the keys to making high valued added returns is to have your base product to be very little of the final product.  


    As James say most beekeepers are individuals and do not want to cooperate so a co op is pretty much a dead duck.  


    I predict a few large corporates will take over most of the game and the smaller players will be forced out. They will be able to offer more for manuka sites as it is more valuable to them as they derive an income for more parts of the food chain. 

  7. 1 hour ago, frazzledfozzle said:

    This makes interesting reading.

    page 22 for honey.


    According to MPI there is an increase in honey sent offshore and in total income.

    it seems to paint a very different story around honey prices and demand.



    Great stuff @frazzledfozzle .   It is interesting that they are now collecting export data on which honey type since june 2018.  The other interesting thing is USA is a far bigger buyer than China

  8. It should be apparent now to the industry that power of being a brand owner that is has pricing power vs being a commodity producer of honey. 


    Even Manuka is a commodity, well paid at the moment.  However think about, how much money produces are leaving the table. 

  9. @Adam Boot mentioned that there are around 200 different manuka brands in the market...that alot probably to many.  There will be alot of market development and marketing money going into it. Not very efficient way to spend the money.  It would be alot better if they was one strong brand. 





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  10. 5 minutes ago, Philbee said:

    Beeks treat their comb as a precious asset when IMO its a dirty liability in this modern age.

    Interest take on things.  Most people do not want to invest in rebuilding comb..lost honey. 


    Site extraction may no make the cut for export requirements

  11. You should not underestimated the importance of distribution. Getting supermarket retail space is a slow go.  There are lots of new products wanting  to make the shelves only so many can go on in any give week, there is a waiting list. Some times of the year like now they simply will not launch a new product. It could easily take a year from start to first sale.  Then they will want to trail it in a few stores 1st to make sure people buy it before role out. Even then most supermarkets make their own decion on what to stock so you will have to deal with them all individually.


    The logistics involved are also challenging when you want to move the volume you have got. 

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