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  1. 4 hours ago, Dennis Crowley said:

    So a $2.00per kg levy is better in your books, Im happy with that.

    $2 million is hell of a lot better than $20

    Who was the major benefactor of the last round of industry funded research?




    Who can afford it right now?




    Milk that cow. If you consider it fair that 10 cent per kg on $4 honey then this is 2.5%. Applying the same logic yet this time only to mono manuka and multi then you could easily raise your $20 million ($30 kg average assumption) apply it at export point and you will capture 9,500 tons this way. So roughly half of all honey produced. 


    Let's assume a more palatable 50 cents per kg then you would have just under $5 million (on total mono manuka and multi exports of $275 million). Or 1.67%


    2.5 x your $2 million  and 10 x more fair.


    All the money raised should go into non manuka market development.  Then we can all afford to contribute to a levy..then we will have a strong and balanced industry. 


    **these numbers are just a best guest from memory of nz honey export and average price**


    The principle remains the same.  And everyone gets a say. 1 shareholder 1 vote regardless of size or honey produced. 

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  2. On 3/03/2019 at 8:57 PM, Beeman1 said:

    Yep the small guy wants the same vote as a big guys but wants the big guys to pay more lol

    So that thinking everyone with one hive gets one vote as a guys with 4000 hives get one vote as well  that's going to work not 

    That guys with more to lose should have more votes per hive  and pay more in my books that's fair .



    If your livelihood is on the line then it does not matter how many hive you have you are still in the same boat.  Our goat farm is the 2nd biggest producer in terms of milk solids and the lady down the road is the 2nd smallest.  We both get the same vote at a meeting.  If we want change then we have to convince her it is worth it, and not going to disadvantage her business.  Because at the end of the day the big boys will use their power to get there way.  We do all the time. So it has to be 1 person one vote or the big boy will screw the little people. 

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  3. 11 hours ago, Philbee said:

    My experience has been that there is no entity more productive and competitive than a band of self determining owner operators, in other words a Co-op

    The big guys will never have it all their own way and you can take that to the Bank

    You are being to näive.  Everybody would love to only have half the hives in NZ. They just want everyone else to be the one to take the hit.  The bigs boys get that way because they are aggressive.  If they can use compliance cost to crush their competition they will. Look at the board members there are the big players on there.  They would love to crush the small players and remove them from the market, more money for them.  

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  4. What  i think Ali is trying to say is that while we appricated the reasearch and science side of things..it feels like that is the decoy to a side agenda of control of the bee industry in nz by this organisation. One area I find interesting is market access.


    So it could used by speical interest group to reduce competition by making the complicant cost if producing honey so complex and expensive that small operators can not compete. 

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  5. 7 hours ago, BRB said:


    I don't know how you experienced guys know if there is a flow on or not.


    Take out a few frames with wet honey in them and shake it horizontally onto a lid.  If nectar fails out then it was collected in the past day or so.  

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  6. I have had quite a few hive swarm on me in January.  Took my eye off them for a few weeks and bam.  I expected that once i was past the longest day i would be ok.  I wonder whether the philbee staples mid season treatment contributed to this ? however I think it more a case of just running bees in doubles that got me...ran out of boxes 

  7. I know that is why i do not say anything to them.  I just buy them direct from China myself.  I was suprised at how well they were doing in terms of year on year turnover.  It was down but not nearly as bad as I would have thought.   I would have pick double what it was. 


    Not helped by me so far i have brought 1 pair of new gloves this season that my total spend.  Plus some Philbee Staples. 

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  8. When I mentioned to a certain manager about the competitors catalogue he said he had not seen it.  Interesting it been out for weeks and you have not looked at your major competitions price structures...this is after they change them...no need they already know what the prices will be ?

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  9. @Alastair just look at how they all market up the price of the imported pieces.  Take a j hive tool.  They buy them for US99c each from china and sell them for $13.  How is it they all have exacatly the same margins on them all? It is classic price fixing. Same thing across most of their products. 

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  10. 38 minutes ago, Alastair said:

    Prior to the manuka boom it was often said a queen was worth 10 lb's of honey, and it did tend to sit around that level.

    So for us that sux at maths are you saying a mated queen is worth $18.18?


    (10/2.2) x $4 = $18.18

  11. 21 minutes ago, Stoney said:

    Hiveware prices should also start to drop back I’d say now that things have cooled off.

    I do not think so i would alleged that there is price fixing going on by the 3 main supply companies.  If the commerce commission investigated I say there would be some hefty fines given out. 

  12. 5 hours ago, Alastair said:

    So the price of nucs and hives is rapidly heading down towards the cost of making them, and some honey is being sold for below cost.

    What i find interesting is the price of mated queeens and queen cells has stayed the same or gone up.  So I guess that is one of the best places to make money now. 

  13. This levy should only be on manuka honey.  They were the major benefactors in the last round so the should pay the good will back and fund research into other honeys. 


    All the money raised should go on market development.  We do not need to learn how to produce honey we need to learn how to sell it. 


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  14. Yep Genetic and animal health is key.  You would probably find the difference between the stars and the dubs are more animal health than genetic in bees. Bees have to be healthy to reach there potential. 

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  15. 2 hours ago, cBank said:

    but their wealthy population utterly dwarfs NZs population.

    That's the key the rich in China.   They are the ones buying manuka not the middle class.  Selling to the wealthy is one of the sercerts to wealth creation.  They are high margin and reliable through out the economic cycle. 


    They will keep truckin. 

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