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flash4cash last won the day on December 7 2018

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  1. NZ should include protection of the Manuka brand during negation with the EU over trade
  2. Wonder If you could put that on a packet here. Be a clever way of getting around the rules.. most people would just see the word manuka honey. So just slip in Australia above it.
  3. There is a mushroom extract that can lower virus loads in bees. Sorry can not tell you more than that. Read it somewhere
  4. I agree. Unfortunately not everyone makes the best decisions under pressure. It easy to become overwhelmed by the whole situation they find themselves in.
  5. Ok it looks like I am just farming standard ants. They are heavy in numbers under the lid. Going to have to nuke them.
  6. So what is the solution? I have taken up ant farming at one of my sites.
  7. I think the prudent thing to do for the next year or so is just do near continuous treatment
  8. I am hearing through an AP2 friend of mine that there are people that can not afford varroa treatment this autumn so are just going with out.
  9. Co Op are what you make them. A well preforming Co Op should be hard to beat on pay out. They can be terrible as well look at fonterra, does not focus on branded products but stays with commodities. A co op to sell bulk honey will not be a worthwhile pursuit long term. By the sounds of things the last co op failed as people stopped supplying it to chase the any honey into manuka game. That was a rare event and unlikely to be repeated again. Rules as I have mentioned before could also stop people bailing to protect everyone. I sure you are aware that we belong to a co op. It fantastic we love it. Sure we have a mumble here and there about things but overall we would not leave. I am sure you would find the same with tatua, or zespri. Why? because when done right co op are a great thing to be a part of. To make this point clearer. Our main competition in the goat infant formula game is the Dutch. They supply a brand owner on a contract basis. Our product sell for similar prices international. Their payout they receive for their milk is 1/3 of ours. That is right 33c in the dollar for what we get. Why because we are part of a co op that owns the brands. I am not suggesting that the margin is that big in the honey game. But it is a valid point to make.
  10. The brand is was already successful. The beekeepers are now directing and selling their honey into it. This allows them to actually sell honey each year with certainty and receive the best price for it. A brand owner will always want to arbitrate the difference. Co op ownership takes away this friction. 10's of millions are required for this. Option 2 is harder. I could see a few pop up with time, however I think it will unlikely make it to a co op model. This could be done with less but take vastly more time at least 2/3 years.
  11. A co op has 2 chances of succeeding in my book. The 1st is for a group of beekeepers to buy out and existing strong brand like Airbourne for example. The 2nd is to become innovative with the honey. This means the honey will be a characteristic product and not the main ingredient. Think something like Honey water. Neither solution is a quick fix, nor will it be cheap. If you do not have capital to contribute you are not part of the solution sorry. You do not have to own the entire brand yourself. You can bring in a distributor partner and go halved. Distribution is the biggest challenge to any product. Branding is also very challenging. To be successful you need to do the 2 together.
  12. It simple Adam. They come together with a common goal and that is to create value. They do this by forming a solid brand and extract a premium over the commodity price. Number one rule for success in consumer products is own the brand. Bee keepers are getting killed right now because they failed to own the brand, with the brand owner putting the cheapest honey they can find into their brand.
  13. I wonder why that would be? To time complicated to administer? It is certainly fairer given the the vast difference in honey prices.
  14. Well in the goat industry after the 2nd major bust was simplify who is left standing. They then spent 5 years or so milking goats for nothing, freezing the milk and driving it to the airport so it could be sent to Ozzy to go into infant formula trails. So it sorts out thouse that are committed to the game, money or nothing. I suspect honey industry is about to experience a similar outcome. With the right leadership nz honey could come back strong if they are smart. Most of us however will not be here. Let me just say the bees are fun but not everything in life. Family, friends and your health are far more important. There is respect to anyone whom decided to move on.
  15. Sorry to keep banging on about the goat industry but it worth highlighting 2 points from their quota model. The first is if you do not do your quota then they have the discretion to charge you 1/3 of the payout on under supply. Second is the board have the discretion to redeem your shares for 1 cent in the dollar. So that stops anyone trying underhanded tactics like to put cow milk in the vat. To my knowledge neither cause has even been implemented. But you need sticks to keep people honest and for the co op greater good.
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