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  1. All said and done wouldn't a better beekeeping stance be to reduce/eliminate the contamination of our honeys in NZ? Glypho is a very useful chemical but the likes of Europe is on phase out of it's use over 5 years (4 left to go?) if we don't follow suit we are simply setting ourselves up for trouble. 

    The positive of the news item may be that we may now take notice of the problem and maybe, just maybe do something about it rather than hope it doesn't "leak out" and spoil our image further.

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  2. On 22/05/2020 at 7:37 PM, Ted said:

    I was hoping you would have a crack at the “cock ale” recipe and then report back as to what it actually is.  The mind boggles!!!

    A leg of mutton or similar used to be common way to add nutrient for the yeast in a barrel of real country Cider! Why not for the yeast in Beer!

  3. 3 minutes ago, Ted said:

    Showing your ignorance here and providing false and fictitious information.  The partly paid share scheme offers staff shares at 10 cents each but as the name suggests they are only partly paid and not in the staff members control.  If they are sold the staff member has to pay the balance of what they were purchased at - for example if the share price is $9 at the time of purchase they will have to pay $8.90 at time of sale.  At the current share price they are obviously not doing very well in that scheme!!

    Well Ted old chap I beg to differ. The price to the significant was $1.00 per share with 10cents down to secure them. It's stated in those very same audited accounts that were publicly available at the time.

    I note that there has been a change to what is publicly available now too, in as much as the style and format has changed considerably. Much less transparent in my opinion.

    Lets just be good blokes and accept we differ in opinion before a Mod picks up on your personal attack on me in your last post.

    My last post on this subject old chap.

  4. 8 minutes ago, Ted said:

    OMG - have you actually had a look at Comvitas independently audited results for the last 3 years??  They do not make pretty reading and most certainly do not show “great profits” - quite the opposite!!  That’s why the business has had a major restructure with a large number of job losses.  

    Then you would have noted what the owner/director/ share holders took from the company????? oh and the share handouts to "significant" staff??? Wouldn't you have liked a 100,000 shares at $1.00 cost (you only had to put up 10 cents) with a market price in excess of $9.00 at the time? Oh yes, they are doing so badly poor things.

    "quite the opposite" after chosen accounting efforts?

    The only ones who did badly was the good old mug small shareholder as usual.

  5. 8 hours ago, CraBee said:

    Quite strong opinion here but do you have any facts/evidence to back it up?  One of the only examples I can think of suggests the opposite - Comvita with three or four years of losses and having to go to the market again recently to raise more capital....

    How many packer/exporters you are aware of are in the position of the bulk of beekeepers? 

    The big C plays an interesting game. A great profit for the past year until they choose to "write down" the value of some of there investments with a resulting very much lower tax bill.

    Accounting methods of choice not compulsion.  

    The main share holding directors/owners have been doing extremely well out of the company for a long time and I am sure still are. Many millions have slipped by the small shareholders into the pockets of the few.

    18 minutes ago, Alastair said:

    Ali could you explain how, and why, honey is being sold for $30 a kg in Malaysia?

    Last month, on their retail shelves, packed and exported from NZ. Yes, I realise there is retail mark up involved.


    15 minutes ago, Gino de Graaf said:

    And is that clover,pasture? 

    Yes, it most certainly is.


    The why: they have a large thirst for NZ food products, the reputation of NZ product is simply huge. Great outlet for NZ product sourced at "world honey price" from all suffering little NZ beeks.

    Singapore? Our honey is revered like a true nectar of the gods.

    I think our eyes are so messed up by the sweat and tears we just can't see what is going on.

    We haven't heard from Adam for some time but I can bet my last hive that his bosses don't work for the peanuts we do as beekeepers.

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  6. 28 minutes ago, Gino de Graaf said:

    The non Manuka markets have no great value, a few bucks in it for buyers. Why develop that unless you do big volumes? 

    Well, keep believing that if you like but $30 bucks a kg in Malaysia is a good "few bucks" in my mind. There are actually a lot of markets out there giving good profits for the exporter.

  7. 39 minutes ago, jamesc said:

    Okaaaay ..... so back in '95 the shelf price for 500gm was $4.00 and the the bulk price was $3.00/kg.

    Fastforward  25 years and the bulk price is random at $3.50 -$4.00/kg , but the price of a 500gm on the shelf is .... I haven't bought groceries for quite a few months now.


    You get my drift.


    $3.50-$4.00/kg today is unscrupulous robbery and explains why Beekeepers are going broke fast.

    I think most of the good beeks in NZ are good sorts, however probably too good natured to see some of what is the reality of the business.

    Most large buyers/packers/exporters are also producers of honey in a very large way. The honey they produce themselves also cost as much as the honey the smaller guys and girls produce, often probably far more.

    They harvest, pack and market their own honey successfully along with what they also buy in.

    When they buy in at the current offered prices we serve the purpose of subsidising there own honey production costs which leads them to further profits. Very substantial profits at the cost of the smaller beek.

    I don't think we will see many of the very large guys fold but some smaller beeks will of course. The space they leave behind is being filled by the large operator/buyer/packer/exporter.

    Where the smaller beek persists they are crowded by the hives of the largest operators.

    There is very good argument for smaller beeks to combine forces in local areas for extraction, packing and marketing/export. There are plenty of nay sayers in regard this opinion however quite a few of those have a vested interest in the current situation continuing.

    Frankly, the current situation is a 'business model' for the success of the current larger buyer/packer/exporter/marketer and has nothing to do with benevolence towards the smaller beekeeper who is providing the profits.

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  8. 56 minutes ago, Ted said:

    The reality is we are a commodity producer so are at the mercy of the markets.

    More correctly the "mercy" of the packers/exporters unless we do our own of course. The opportunities are there as some will full know.

    There is a Apimondia report that asserts that 40% of the 'World" honey is adulterated. 

    Another large percentage use antibiotics.


    Talking with people of various Asian countries is interesting - they know the NZ story and voraciously seek any product from NZ including our honey.

    Beeks in NZ need to speak up! Or not .....and be had for breakfast, lunch and tea as we are currently.

  9. 6 minutes ago, Gino de Graaf said:

    World honey price includes the nasty man made stuff. Agree, the Packers are loving it. It's a thin line though. If the Packers keep prices suppressed, then Beekeepers go broke, which in turn reduces the volume produced. Shortage of supply. It would be in their interest to give best prices possible to guarantee supply. Look what happened to C. 

    Sadly, the bigger beeks have become so large (in hive numbers) that they possibly don't always really need the smaller beek anymore.

    If hive numbers were to really reduce from the current 900,000 odd back to the 500-600,000 mark then it would be different again.

    The cost to the small operator of having very large commercials about is almost catostrophic (yes I know, spelling). An extreme example perhaps but very current.....8 hive apiary, previously very productive, now surrounded by 150 hives within 1500 metres. Some are ex Manuka dumps and some "permanent" till he goes broke....next season my bet.

  10. 16 minutes ago, jamesc said:

    My market....world price is only a guide.

    If you go out and look u can do a lot better than world price.

    Domestic price at jimmyc’s end of road honey shop is $12/kg and my customers  ask why it’s so cheap....?

    It is very cheap after seeing Bush Blend and Pasture type honey for sale for $42 dollars per 2kg in a local retailers yesterday!

    Same NZ honeys in Malaysia? On the shelf at $30 a kg and more.

    Best offer by the same packer/exporter to the beek? $4.00.

    Yep, on the shelf at 10 times or more the return to the beek.

    World price is a total have! To base the price to the producer in NZ on world pricing is akin to saying the quality of world honey is the same as the quality of a very upmarket hand built automobile. World honey is not NZ honey (that is NZ honey produced, packed and exported in/from NZ).

    There is a very large smelly rat in the house, i.e. large profits.


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  11. 6 hours ago, Bighands said:

    No problem, bring in the overseas labour

    Your so right @Bighands that is exactly what is done in a big way. Pacific Island/Melanesian men for the picking and then the women folk for the pruning etc, not just Avo.

    I know two couples in the north who make a great living helping to manage the crews, make sure they get to work and back each day etc etc, a bit better than slavery but has it's similarities.

    From what I saw part of the art is making sure certain culture groups don't mix it up with other cultures as it can lead to real trouble. 

    Seasonal labour but it gives an opportunity for the folk who come here to take something home with them that is far more than they would have staying home.

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  12. 1 hour ago, flash4cash said:

    All the customers care about is the brand name Comvita.  The prestige and trust that goes with that brand. 

    If only they knew huh?

    That "prestige and trust" does not follow through to a lot of NZ beeks or I suspect shareholders these days!

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  13. 4 hours ago, john berry said:

    Any shortfall in the Australian honey crop is made up by imported Chinese (honey) so doesn't really have any effect on New Zealand or world honey markets. Contrary to popular opinion Australian honeys can be exceptional and their varietal honey's should have a pride of place on the world market the same as ours should.

    The above accepted, I wonder what price(s) the beeks have been getting for their honey over the ditch?

  14. 16 hours ago, CraBee said:

    Is there anyone out there who swears by or likes the Betta Bees bees?  I've not really ever taken to them, in fact found them a bit more challenging to even keep alive than other strains.  This is just me, based upon my own hive years,  I appreciate others may have a different experience... 

    I had one small batch a couple of seasons back, I haven't bought any more.

    I think my summation was " good pets perhaps but they have failed to do anything really".

    They simply languished, managed small quiet, non productive little hives next to own bred 'dogs' that flourished and produced a great crop.

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  15. 15 hours ago, Philbee said:

    I have a hill that the truck used to go up at 10 psi boost, 700 deg C egt (Pre turbo) at 80kmh.

    Now it goes up at 20 psi boost, 600 deg C at 100kmh.

    What else is there to do on a rainy Saturday while the wife hosts a kitchen Tea

    Heck @Philbee with 100% over factory boost is there a chance the rainy Saturday job might be replacing the head/gasket in short time? Most of the earlier Prado's were prone to head cracking before 200,000k were they not?

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  16. 5 hours ago, Philbee said:

    Beeks will be affected by the latest attack by Iranian Proxie's on Saudi Oil refineries.
    This is very serious for many reasons, the immediate reason being fuel will go through the Roof.

    As it stands, 5% of the global Oil supply is now off line.

    Up side is that the refineries can be repaired
    Down side is that the situation is likely to escalate, possibly beyond the middle east

    It's going to be interesting for sure and the only certainty will be sharp price increases with no doubt increased takes by those retailing it to us if the usual percentages are just simply carried over to the increases as usual. The taxes need to be capped at their present level and the retail margin nailed also or we are all in for a double hiding. I won't hold my breath!

    I didn't realise how little our news services were telling us about Yemen and the war going on there right now. Interesting how we really have been kept in the dark here. 

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