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  1. How politically incorrect is the name "Blackbutt"? Think a name change could be called for? e.g. Eskimo Pies...
  2. Or https://www.pollensmart.co.nz/
  3. Agree that propolis is a very complex product. From memory there are about 200 chemical components in Propolis, with more still undiscovered, and these components vary depending on plant source. wrt not routinely tested: Several companies market their propolis on it's flavonoid level and/or CAPE. Therefore each batch will be tested. Do the companies do this in-house? Besides the active/beneficial compounds, propolis can contain contaminents, e.g. it used to contain lead from paint and fuel exhausts, perhaps contaminants get tested too?
  4. I've seen sites where lines of hives had a roof over them, but no walls, so bees are free to leave and act naturally. Besides the active ingredients, they test for Chloramphenicol and Streptomycin were the main contaminants tested and reported on. There were strict penalties imposed by te manufacturer on collectives and individual beekeeper families found to contain these contaminants, so there was a collective peer pressure and regulation by the collective on each producing family in addition to self regulation.
  5. In no particular order: Factors that relate to consistently high honey production e.g. climate & flower sources. Bees need plenty of supplies to consistently generate lots of RJ in addition to their other activities Economies of scale. I've been in warehouses and freezers containing untold tons of RJ, where one batch is a metric ton. Think of how many cell-scoops that is... Specialisation, these people specialise in RJ production, they're not doing it as a bit on the side while e.g. chasing higher value honey crops. This is a whole family vocation. And several factors related to specialisation e.g. systems, supporting human resources, cooperatives, training, chemical testing, skill, speed and dexterity - you should see these people go! FYI, here's a pretty good video of the family production end of the supply chain
  6. This is certainly one but not the only factor. FWIW, I was responding to this post, had this in mind when typing 'drone larvae'...
  7. I've been to China twice to research the Chinese Royal Jelly industry. Not saying I went everywhere, saw everyone and everything, but a good representative sample. The drone larvae are picked out from the RJ. These are sold to Japan as a health food. Hence there is a positive financial inducement to pick them out, secondly there are penalties for impurities and contaminants.
  8. There is. To different companies.
  9. Re. the market, there has been a significant increase in demand for Manuka, and not at discounted prices, so yes it's still being demanded and paid for as a Giffen Good. Re. your vehicles comment, do you buy $100-200 honey (for 250g)? If not, then you're not one of the Manuka consumers I was describing, which may be reflected in your car choices
  10. Yep, and a whole lot of other assurances/perceptions/assumptions including, but not limited to, trust, desire, safety, performance, bestowed status, and self fulfillment. To apply it to the auto market as a comparison: say everyone can buy the cheapest car, most with a lot of misgivings, but at least it's functional as a car; whereas most would buy a far more expensive (better?) car if they could for various reasons. Well the great thing about honey is that many, many, many people can buy the most expensive honey. When your house(s) are worth >$1m each, your cars are worth >$100k etc. what's $100-200 when it confers all those superior connetations? Chump change that's what, if you've got it, why would you buy one of the cheaper products available. Manuka honey is an example of a Giffen Good.
  11. Really? Have you done a market survey to come up with this belief? Comvita is not only the biggest but also the most expensive. And (this may be very contrary to your thinking/may be controversial) yes a lot of Comvita's consumers buy it partly because it is the most expensive.
  12. Seems you're extrapolating your own thoughts and behaviour onto your target consumers rather than researching them and understanding their motivation and behaviour. Re. "And if it’s made by a small family business rather than a big company then that’s even better." if that was a widely held motivator, then why is the reality the opposite i.e. the biggest brands are just that, the biggest, while as you said it family businesses are small. The point being that consumers have responded and choose to purchase not the small family business' products but rather the large firms'. Maybe we should learn from the successful/large firms and emulate the good points of what they do, rather than emulate the smallest?
  13. In response to the above quote, and several others like it in the thread: Most temperate countries, particularly western countries, produce Clover honey, which like ours can be light colour with high pollen content. We have very little reason for value add. When a consumer is viewing Clover honey products from NZ, Canada, Switzerland etc. they won't pay significantly more for NZ sourced, irrespective of what we would like them to see... Also in response to Bron's comment: "Some of our honeys are only found in NZ such as our mono floral native honeys and our multi floral bush blends. Positives that I see are We don’t use anti-biotic for AFB. We don’t import any honey into NZ (other than from some of the islands) We are geographically isolated. Can in most cases create a really great “story” about small generational family businesses." Many countries have honeys that are only found there. Sorry exclusive source is not a significant reason for consumers to pay a premium. Many, many brands throughout the world create a really great “story” about small generational family businesses. This is not a significant reason for consumers to pay a premium The other reasons mentioned are already included in demand pricing for NZ honeys, we won't get much additional pricing from them. Sorry if this post seems excessively negative. What the factors I've seen listed tend to have in common is that they are seen from the producer's perspective. What I'm trying to introduce is to see things from the buyer's perspective. Consumers are motivated more from 'what benefit can I get from this purchase' than 'what production factors went into this product'.
  14. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=12319909
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