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  1. 5 points
    When its done if it turns out ok-ish Ill make images available to those of you on this topic line who would find it useful. The details on each cell are tiny but hey I think 2mb images of each seasonal quarter might be adequate if people zoomed in to view each cell. Better than nothing. Eventually I’d like to see a future version go in display somewhere where beeks can see it in a science library of some sort. It’s not perfect, this one’s a draft. In the meantime it will go up in our own library. There will inevitably be things that need amending and future versions. But we’ll get there. It’s essentially a gouache and watercolour illustration. It’s analog. It’s art before anything else. Best to get it finished.
  2. 5 points
    @AFB PMP Management Agency it's really really great that you guys are here and communicative. Thank you.
  3. 4 points
    Supply is restricted as it is for Tatua Dairy Company , which has the highest paid dairy farmers in the country. In fact, when you go onto a Dairy Goat Co op or Tatua farm, the vibe is a whole lot different than the rest of the farms in NZ. Restricting Supply is a small but very important part of both their strategy for success. It's not rocket science....... Don't produce more than you can sell . Keeping the market on the slightly hungry side, wanting , more will always be more successful for a long term business plan than oversupply and hoping for the best
  4. 4 points
    Hi Guys, got the the results back for those interested. Multi Floral Manuka under MPI regulations. cheers
  5. 4 points
    Sorry to keep banging on about the goat industry but it worth highlighting 2 points from their quota model. The first is if you do not do your quota then they have the discretion to charge you 1/3 of the payout on under supply. Second is the board have the discretion to redeem your shares for 1 cent in the dollar. So that stops anyone trying underhanded tactics like to put cow milk in the vat. To my knowledge neither cause has even been implemented. But you need sticks to keep people honest and for the co op greater good.
  6. 4 points
    The Management Agency posting information on AFB outbreaks is a balancing act between informing the wider beekeeping community so that they can take action to manage the risk of AFB in their hives, versus protecting the privacy of the individuals concerned - not only because they have a right to privacy under the Privacy Act, but the Management Agency also has a moral responsibility to protect the beekeepers concerned and their families from bullying and harassment that can and does occur as a result of being identified as a result of experiencing a significant AFB outbreak. Individual beekeepers, and particularly those with leadership positions within the beekeeping community should consider what they can do to create/facilitate a culture amongst the beekeeping community where individuals feel safe to admit that they have recently had a case (or outbreak) of AFB, inform their neighbours, seek advice and assistance, and share experiences on how they moved forwards address AFB in their hives. Next time anyone reading this post is considering engaging in a conversation about AFB please consider whether what you are about to say is likely to contribute to a positive culture where beekeepers feel safe to honestly share their AFB experiences, or whether it will perpetuate the current culture where AFB is frequently regarded as a socially unacceptable disease that beekeepers are reluctant admit to. The Management Agency is acutely aware of the learning (and beekeeping culture improvement) benefits of making real case studies about AFB outbreaks and how beekeepers addressed the problem available. These cases studies are most useful if they are presented with the informed consent of the beekeepers concerned as this enables the experience to be shared from the beekeepers perspective. We are working with a couple of beekeepers to progress this and do intend to build a small library of case studies over time.
  7. 3 points
    Study's done in the 1960s by grasslands found that honeybees can and do pollinate red clover. BEHAVIOUR AND EFFECTIVENESS OF BEES IN POLLINATING LEGUMES I. W. FORSTER Ministry of Agriculture and Fisheries, Oamaru The pollination requirements of red clover (T. pratense) have received much attention over the years. There does appear to be an accepted’natural affinity between bumblebees and red clover. This has created a strong impression that it is bumblebees and maybe bumblebees alone that effectively pollinated red clover. It is a fact that the tongue of the honeybee is seldom more than 7 mm long and red clover florets are about 10 mm deep. But, as Snodgrass (1925) ’ points out, several appendages of the bee’s head combine to form the proboscis and it is the proboscis that is inserted into the flower. Observations in 1954-5 had shown honeybees to be doing 76 to 89% of the pollination of Montgomery red clover near. Timaru (Forster and Hadfield, 1958).
  8. 3 points
    And hand writing. Looks like diagrams for a bee book!
  9. 2 points
    Katikati area has always been a poor producers after chirstmas. Terrible actually. I keep a few around Te Puna for making queen cells, and rubbish hives now. Never used them for cells and plenty of varroa. Lots of spring swarms last season, and probably re invasion galore. Tanners point has a lot of harbour water around it, and I guess the bees need to travel further to forage. Avoid feeding as long as possible- right now the weather is still hot/warm and all you do is encourage more brood production when you feed. You don't need a big hive going into winter in the Bay. If you do start, then feed thick and lots of it quickly- aim to block out brood area. And if you feed, minimise the risk of robbing. March is a bad month to feed for robbing. Best time is when it is raining or forecast to rain. Or later evening. Reduce entrance, even if bees are forced outside to 'hang' - maybe a 50mm entrance. And don't spill any sugar. Be fast, don't do anything else that takes too long.
  10. 2 points
    bottom vers top driven extractors. i can't say a lot with hobbyist extractors because they are small enough that they can be done a bit different to commercial extractors. a hobby extractor may have a small enough motor and gearbox that it can be placed underneath easy enough. commercial ones the motor get placed on the side and use pulleys underneath. there is an advantage having weight down low, makes them a bit more stable. with a small motor i'm not sure on how much advantage that would be. the advantage with top mount on commercial extractors is that you can use "industrial lego" motors and gearboxes. simple off the shelf parts. plus they are rather wide machines and strong. you don't have the vibration issues of lighter machines. no. all extra speed does is rips frames apart. this is why good machines will run slow at the start, then speed up. often 3 speeds are used. the main things for getting honey out is how warm the honey is, how sticky it is and time. the longer you run it, the drier the frames get. so its a balance between how much honey you get out vers how many frames you can do.
  11. 2 points
    How about feeding one of them, let the other two manage on their own, see how they go....otherwise you'll never know....not hard to keep an eye on two hives at home....
  12. 2 points
    Awsome Dave, so good to here from you again always love your posts I haven't been here much lately, but always appreciated your input and your knowledge, we must catch up sometime Also I would expect nothing less than a post like this from you haha, your a legend.
  13. 2 points
    @AFB PMP Management Agency any chance you or someone could post info on afb outbreaks etc. one reason is to help clear up the usual rumors going around. but mainly for a learning tool. the examples we get to see in the beekeeper mag are great but would like to see that online, especially in search engine findable format. examples of whats found, how it was cleaned up, procedures put in place etc. a lot of beeks never get to experience afb and have no idea of what happens. would help quash some of the myths that do the rounds.
  14. 2 points
    Nice drawings ..... seriously !!
  15. 2 points
    There were hardly any sandflies when we were at those blue pools . There were people swimming in the pools and sun bathing on the bank . Our son went swimming but not our grandson, he thought his father was mad. I stood at beginning of bridge and counted .
  16. 1 point
    There's no secrete about the cardboard heaps of bee keepers are using it and that's my point in my opinion recycled paper does cut it, the company that's cutting them reckons its a good sideline for their business. The reason I don't really talk about is because well I don't need to its not my product and I'm just a bee keeper getting on with bee keeping. We started using cardboard while you where developing your strip, if you had developed your strip few months earlier I would probably be using yours also, but yours weren't around yet and the cardboard was what we started with, it seems to work ok and haven't needed to change. As far as price goes you have a point If i was to start sending cardboard around the country i would probably have to add a few cents per strip i haven't worked it out theres about 800 in a box which is about 8 kg not sure what freight is on that. What i was trying to say about the bragging about tractability is if we start that it will become expected, more complications i think we dont need, a bit like mpi saying to china/world yes we can prove we have full tractability on our hives and yes we can define what manuka is, look what happened now we have to brand our boxs another cost, not that i mind to much, but what's that achieved more traceability?, and as far as the promise of a new standard manuka well its basically done more harm than good, so sometimes i think its best to carry on doing what your doing, imagine if we still just used umf and mgo as our standard,
  17. 1 point
    It’s fabulous, a great resource & I thank you for your commitment, it’s plain awesome the amount of time must be immense 🐝
  18. 1 point
    There is nothing misleading about what Im saying. As for your cheap 10 cent strips, that is cheap, but to put it into perspective a 4 layer gib Staple has 7 cents worth of Tape in it and Im sure those 4 layers could be run through a sewing machine for a few cents per Staple. So apples for apples the cardboard you use is not really cheap by comparison. When one goes to the trouble of distributing them in Pails with freight included etc the the price creeps up and its important to consider that when your cheap cardboard strip turn up at your place they are not packed in pails and delivered to you. I also think that your use of the term bragging is more to do with the way you interpret what is being said rather than what is intended. The Paper tape staple has been an underrepresented success and that is partly to do with the way it has been shared freely in this forum. One of the reasons the cardboard strip is obscure is because for years it has been secret squirrel, benefiting just a few. You can have the last word if you want, I wont be getting into an online debate with you Underrepresented in line 10 should be "unprecedented"
  19. 1 point
    We have hives in Waihi and there is practically no forage.
  20. 1 point
    Well in the goat industry after the 2nd major bust was simplify who is left standing. They then spent 5 years or so milking goats for nothing, freezing the milk and driving it to the airport so it could be sent to Ozzy to go into infant formula trails. So it sorts out thouse that are committed to the game, money or nothing. I suspect honey industry is about to experience a similar outcome. With the right leadership nz honey could come back strong if they are smart. Most of us however will not be here. Let me just say the bees are fun but not everything in life. Family, friends and your health are far more important. There is respect to anyone whom decided to move on.
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  22. 1 point
    I dont know if it is still the same but they do or did restrict who could supply them and where you could farm goats for supply, we were looking at it at one stage. So if that is still there and that is holding up the price paid due to containing supply, same as gold kiwifruit, then the question for beekeeping if you want to go down that path is who can be in and who cant? and who decides?
  23. 1 point
    need to get sugar shakes done as follow up. Considering doing an alcohol wash on a sample from the parent hive. Eyeballing certainly ain’t enough if you can see the blighters you’re in deep water. Agree totally with both of you, but which one do I hold off on feeding and monitor. Reckon I should feed The two young hives....I can always step in with supplies for the parent hive at short notice. Yep - If the unfed parent hive still doesn’t have 2 frames of sealed honey in 2 weeks time, I’ll feed. Is our WBoP region overstocked with hives. Yep I’ve gone into a worry spin about my livestock. I seem to remember hive density is high, even overstocked in BoP. Where did I see that data? APINZ website possibly. Surely there’s enough forage for my bees right here on my doorstep. We are 800m away from any avo orchards and there’s 150 houses here in the Tanners Point settlement all with a diversity of flowering plants. I’m yet to meet another backyard beekeeper nearby. Perhaps my bees have found it challenging to find enough nectar and pollen. Surely not! Surely the lack of extra capped honey and pollen stores is because of the disruptions to population build up I caused when I split the parent hive way back in Spring when I had those 18+ emergency cells. Well let’s see what happens next season re honey harvest and excess, or lack of it. There will be no expanding of colony numbers past the three I know my neighbours can comfortably live with... any spring 2019 artificial swarm splits may have to be recombined until I can ascertain if there’s enough forage.
  24. 1 point
    @GoED, thankyou for the detailed inspection and reply . Your initial varroa treatment timing was spot on , and you are keeping a good eye on everything . Nice job 😊
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  26. 1 point
    Locally we have always tried to practice "No blame No shame" to AFB and this has worked well among the many like minded beekeepers where strange events/outbreaks randomly have happened over last 30 years. Sadly this has broken down in recent times mainly from so many new entrants in area that do not want to participate in our local social systems, and a lack of a National AFB push to have local operators directly involved in AFB inspections/diseasathons/information type days. Yes there are the operators that deliberately do not manage their AFB (why is always a mystery to me) and the new enforcement policy is to be praised, but most AFB is accidental and needs the helping touch and big sticks and financial penalties will potentially do more harm. I know it is a really hard balancing act, but the shift towards viewing AFBPMP as an auditing document is wrong IMO.
  27. 1 point
    If it wasn't so expensive, it would be worth re-stirring, sampling and retesting. There is a whole science in manufacturing concerning proper mixing, stirrer types and sampling, and I would guess that if the manuka was particularly thixotropic, it would take a long time to slowly stir - to not cream to get a tank truly blended. I am so old I had to attend lectures on it all.
  28. 1 point
    That was us Tommy. If you had a chance to look at the website you may have seen a video showing what is actually happening inside of the hive when under wasp attack. I am unsure if I am now allowed to post the website here because I dont really know how or at what point I violated the rules to get the post removed. I am working on the presentation which is based on the behavioural science behind what is really going on inside the behave. Our HiveGate has been developed 100% on these principle. We disagree on this one. We are a brand new start-up in terms of a company and that post had two clear objectives. Firstly to tell people that we are a new start-up and secondly to inform them of the work we are doing. Very difficult to explain all of that in a short post, hence the reason why we included the website. Yes, there is a page on the site that has a shopping page, even though you cannot actually order product on it because we don't have any to sell as of now. We have been doing research for close on a year now, 100% self-funded, and have got some really great results in terms of behavioural understand that led us to develop a product, that by the way, we had no intention initially of developing a commercial product. So yes, we are really keen to show fellow beekeepers what we have found and were hoping that this would be one of the platforms to do so. Sean
  29. 1 point
    Social insects like honeybee living in close proximity have a higher risk of spreading diseases and poisons among nestmates, so we would expect to find mechanisms that mitigate this. One of these systems is an innate immune system that provides an antimicrobial film on their exoskeleton, a hostile gut environment, a peritrophic membrane and gut epithelium, and effective cellular and humoral defences. These secrete antimicrobial chemicals, engulf or entomb foreign materials, and provide enzymes that degrade or destroy pesticides and pathogens. The genetic precursors for all this are ancient, common to invertebrates and invertebrates, and consequently fairly well understood. If we compare honey bees to other solitary insects we find that, relatively, honey bees have about a third as many of the genes known to be associated with disease immunity. Partly that is likely to be because they are targeted by fewer, more specialist pathogens, and live in a very stable nest environment, but it’s also because they use a highly developed strategy that combines behavioural traits that together provide a social immunity. Collectively, they construct or maintain nests using antimicrobial materials, keep their young in hygienic, homeostatic, sterile nurseries, create a ‘fever’ in response to disease, functionally exclude foraging bees from parts of the nest, groom, exhibit ‘altruistic’ suicide, and delegate risk-taking to expendable members of the group. These behavioural traits seem particularly important and yet we know very little about them, how they work, and how they are inherited, even after decades of ‘trial & error’ field research has shown that they are highly effective and highly inheritable. A group of researchers in Canada are involved in a long-running project studying the basis for inheritance of this social immunity. The scale and duration of the study differentiates it from most. Their most recent paper was just published last month. For this study they created two selected populations (of 100 colonies each) that express hygienic behaviour (using freeze-killed brood) across three generations relative to a ‘baseline’ 100 colony population (control). They used genome sequencing to identify genetic ‘loci’ that were associated with the variation in behaviour. The genome sequencing allowed them to consider 2,340,950 SNPs. (Think of SNPs as alterations in DNA sequences – a person will have four to five million SNPs in their genome). The researchers identified regions in the genome that differed between the study and control group down the generations, homing in on 10,140 SNPs, and then compared their candidates to six other, independent studies which at first zeroed in on 2,058 SNPs in 99 regions in the genome, and they then refined that to 73 protein-coding genes that looked to be the most significant in terms of hygienic behaviour. Usefully, perhaps surprisingly, 85-90% of these genes were not unique to honey bees but are shared with other hymenoptera and insects in general. These genes are already all known to be associated with the functioning of features of the neurological system, for example in nerve growth and signal transmission, and olfaction. Rather than novel genes being responsible for hygienic behaviour, it seems that existing genes and gene networks are conserved and ‘repurposed’ during adult development or maturation, perhaps by a difference in the regulation of a pre-existing ‘tool-kit’. But keep that 73 genes in mind. The authors also claim that the ancient genetic ancestry of their selected, hygienic genes had much more in common with C-lineage (Central European) Apis bees (ligustica; carnica) than M-lineages (mellifera) or O, A, Y (Mid-East, Africa, or Yemen, Saudi). This is interesting because many other studies (six are mentioned) have independently come to the same conclusion, that C-lineage bees (carrying C-lineage genes) have superior hygienic abilities. This is the fourth paper in this vein from this group so far. They began (2010) by looking for signs of local adaption in honey bees, establishing and comparing populations from within Canada, but also including some from Chile, California, Hawaii, and Hawkes Bay, because that was where they were buying queens and packages from. They were interested in seeing what trade-offs were being made, if any, by the necessary import of, possibly, mal-adapted stocks. They were able to show distinct metabolic adaptions that related to the geographical source; in some respects, metabolically, NZ bees had more in common with Chilean bees that with Canadian bees. In their words, “The populations studied… may represent separate geographical ecotypes, where metabolic control and protein synthesis/folding mechanisms has been finely tuned to confer fitness to local environmental pressures such as climate, food resources, predation and diseases.” The second paper released (2015) used a subset of the same bee population (without the NZ bees as far as I can tell) to see if it would be possible to use molecular markers rather than behavioural tests to select more disease resistant stock, since that would be faster. They suggest biomarkers in the form of the expression of a particular set of proteins would be a better tool than conventional Marker-Assisted-Selection (They looked specifically at odorant-binding proteins in antennae that correlated with hygienic behaviour). The third paper (2017) has a more detailed demonstration of an ‘expression marker’ as they call it, successfully testing the idea against AFB and varroa in a selection and breeding programme lasting three years. This is how they sum up that paper; “[Marker Assisted Selection - MAS] has the potential to be more precise and more robust to external influences; it has been widely used in certain plants and animals. To date, however, the markers used have been genomic loci exclusively...undoubtedly due, in part, to the availability of efficient genetic approaches for finding such markers. It is also a matter of focus: researchers have spent more time looking for genetic loci than for expression markers... Here we have shown that expression markers can be used to select for a very complex, polygenic trait. (Remember the 73 genes?) Even in this proof-of-principle with a first-generation panel of markers, MAS was as efficient at enriching disease-resistance as Field Assisted Selection [FAS] methods: bees bred using marker-assisted selection could resist levels of disease that would typically kill 70% or more of unselected colonies. The data presented here have implications beyond bees: this is the first demonstration of marker-assisted selection in livestock using expression markers and it enables molecular diagnostic approaches for selecting complex polygenic traits that are recalcitrant to genetic mapping methods. After three generations of selection, the resulting marker-selected stock outperformed an unselected benchmark stock in terms of hygienic behaviour (sic), and had improved survival when challenged with a bacterial disease or a parasitic mite, similar to bees selected using a phenotype–based assessment for this trait. This is the first demonstration of the efficacy of protein markers for industrial selective breeding in any agricultural species, plant or animal.” Just because I can - it seems to be a major topic of discussion at the moment, I’m going to note how all this was funded; a muti-site, international, nine year project using several hundred colonies and some expensive, novel, lab work. Here is a list of the bill-payers; Genome British Columbia, the British Columbia Honey Producers Association, the Canadian Honey Council and Canadian Association of Professional Apiculturists through the Canadian Bee Research Fund, the British Columbia Blueberry Council, the British Columbia Cranberry Marketing Association, Agri-Food Canada’s Advancing Canadian Agriculture and Agri-Food (ACAAF) program, Ontario Genomics, a Discovery Grant from the Natural Sciences and Engineering Council (NSERC) of Canada, Genome British Columbia, Genome Alberta, the University of British Columbia, the University of Manitoba, and the US Department of Agriculture. I haven’t included odd scholarships or research grants supporting the tenure of individuals. Food for thought. Brock A. Harpur, M. Marta Guarna, Elizabeth Huxter, Heather Higo, Kyung-Mee Moon, Shelley E. Hoover, Abdullah Ibrahim Andony P. Melathopoulos, Suresh Desai, Robert W. Currie, Stephen F. Pernal, Leonard J. Foster, and Amro Zayed. (2019) Integrative genomics reveals the genetics and evolution of the honey bee’s social immune system. Genome Biol Evol. 2019 Feb 15. doi: 10.1093/gbe/evz018 Guarna MM, et al. 2017. Peptide biomarkers used for the selective breeding of a complex polygenic trait in honey bees. Scientific Reports 7: 8381. Guarna MM, et al. 2015. A search for protein biomarkers links olfactory signal transduction to social immunity. Bmc Genomics 16: 63. doi: 10.1186/s12864-014-1193-6 Parker R, Melathopoulos AP, White R, Pernal SF, Guarna MM, Foster LJ. (2010) Ecological adaptation of diverse honey bee (Apis mellifera) populations. PLoS One. 2010;5(6):e11096.
  30. 1 point
    Yeah it’s good, gets in the way of working but managed 6 hours today so I can go to work a bit if I don’t go too far, she’s really good with Bron but I doubt she would go to anyone else, her Dad can’t manage her for much more than an hour 😂 Haha nah stay that way, it’s not worth hearing about
  31. 1 point
    Yes, a good source of amusement was to go to the Blue pools on the Haast road and put on a good layer of DEET and walk in the few hundred meters to look into the pools and see the big trout cruising - and then watch the sand flies hold their fire until the tourists were as far as possible from their cars, and then give them both barrels ! And watch them trying to cross the swing bridge en masse. Ah, those were the days.
  32. 1 point
    Periodic Table will be a minor doddle even compared to what you have done already. I have 'pollen chart envy'.
  33. 1 point
    If you aren’t already, do some sugar shakes. It’s interesting to see what happens when. You are good at drawing - wish I was!
  34. 1 point
    I wouldn’t panic , if you put Apivar in in mid Feb then you still have 6 weeks of treatment to go.
  35. 1 point
    That is beautiful, you’re very talented.
  36. 1 point
    It’s given me a deeper appreciation of what the bees do and how long it takes them to bring in each load and fill every cell with food supplies for their colony. Their work is laborious and I admire them. I’d like to do a nectar source chart series later on too. This winter chart on the bottom left of the image highlighted a colony’s seasonal challenges to feed itself. Thank goodness we can lend them a hand, plant diverse flowering plants to fill the gaps, and provide supplements where needed. Honey is a precious thing. In fact, pollination is a precious thing.
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    Mid March-update I’m in my studio slowly finishing this first pollen colour chart, even though it’s full wall size, it turns out the format I chose for the draft is still way too small to do justice to the exotic spring and summer pollens available. This last week has been dominated by slow cross referencing to ID the colours of winter pollen sources to complete that seasonal quarter. Later in the year i might follow up with another version in the form of month by month charts for exotic plants and native plants separately. I’m learning a fair amount about colour mixing and more about the botanical names of ornamental plants. On a positive note I’m pleased with the overall impression of this first attempt and it’s a good start as a draft.
  39. 1 point
    Based on those results your honey will grow to have around 490 mg/kg of MG after 136 weeks, which is equivalent to an NPA/UMF of about 15+. We find about 90-95% of honeys of that grade pass the MPI test as monofloral manuka, so it's almost certainly worth a try.
  40. 1 point
    I don't think I've mentioned this but, gee you're a breath of fresh air.
  41. 1 point
    I have had success with a wet sheet
  42. 1 point
    I like your wet sheet idea. I’ve turned on the sprinkler when it’s been wild once or twice, but this is a better plan.
  43. 1 point
    Kia ora, this is my first post. I have had an interest in beekeeping for a few years now. I joined the hobbiest club a couple of years ago, been reading lots of articles/books and have finally purchased my first nuc at the end of January. I am all about having my garden pollinated by a fine group of wahine! And about sharing some honey amongst my whanau. My hive appears to be doing reallly well so far. I have built a long langstroth hive with 22 f/d frames, like on trevs bees channel. I have it split down the middle, with a divider and placed my nuc in the centre with a couple of spare frames on each side. I plan to keep the brood box this size, and let it grow stronger to help get through winter this year. I checked last week and they had built comb/drawn out over 50 percent of the new frames and were storing pollen in a couple of them. I am using foundationless wired frames (just trying to keep things natural) there are all different stages of larvae within the brood. Good brood patterns and honey stores. The thing i am a little uncertain on is my hive entrance. I have a metal disk. I have kept it on the slots that are like a queen excluder. Was worried about my hive been a little weak and the bees from the community garden 100 metres away coming to rob my hive. Should this be to much of a concern, or should i spin the disk around to about half fully open to allow for drones to exit(not sure if they can through those little slots?) And for the bees to clean out the hive. When i opened it last week, bees were flying out the top dumping dead bees and saw one taking a chunk of something twice the size of itself and dumping it over the fence! Is there certain times of the year that this entrance should be changed? I will try and put a pic or vid up of my hive entrance. Appreciate any advice or help. Nga mihi (thanks) Tane.
  44. 0 points
    Hey Daley hows motherhood going? Yea probably was. I got this habit of when people start bragging about how much money they got or going to make or spend, I shut off, it's just a noise in the back ground, I should probably work on that and at least listen.
  45. -3 points
    Well bit of a disappointing result from asure quality. First email was of picture and number and location. Reply was it's probably a super dump and can you supply number so he can contact and see if a registered site. I resent number on boxes and shared my concerns about robbing and what was the policy. Reply was looks like empty supers. Resent blow Cleary showing exposed frames and restated strong smell of honey and cloud of bees. So will wait and see. But if this is what is expected when someone raises concerns then it's no wonder we have an issue
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