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  1. 5 points
    I think there is more heat than light in this discussion. Some historical perspective might be useful - we've been here before!! We had an apiary levy that followed a hive levy (applied under The Hive Levy Act). The apiary levy was one of the first commodity levies under the new Commodity Levies act. We had many good things come from these levies including research, marketing initiatives and industry planning. Without a levy most of these would not have been done. "Manuka" was a significant initiative from the work funded by these levies. The AFB management programme was another. The NBA executive was taken over by a faction whose politics discouraged many from standing for election, so we ended up with appointed executive members (no elections) and the whole lot descended into a morass of nepotism and political infighting. The Apiary levy failed to be renewed at a vote of the levy payers. The vote against the levy mostly reflected the desire to get rid of the NBA incumbents and their appalling behaviour. Many of the names that were part of that NBA are now against the levy.... These divided politics today are likely to cause the levy vote to fail again. If you want good things to happen, you need money to do them. You need a levy. If you vote no for the levy, then another proposal and vote will be years away. If you think the industry is going well and doesn't have a need for collective action requiring funding, vote no. If you disagree with the politics, efficiency, application of the levy etc, stand for election and fix those issues. Disclaimer: As a marketer (no hives) I have no levy to pay, but will also have no decision over how one is applied. FWIW.
  2. 4 points
    I’m very glad one of our queen breeding criteria is gentleness. with civil defence having us in full lock down right now with the risk of fire we have to brood check and insert staples without smoke.
  3. 4 points
    I have a story. Back in mid September I posted a pic of a 5 box overwintered Hive that overwintered with 20 staples in it. Mid September I replaced the 20 overwintered Staples with 20m new ones and then some time in November I cramed the queen down into a double Brood nest with a Queen Excluder and put 20 new ones in. Then I walked away to make Staples, almost half a million of them. Ive been becoming increasingly anxious about getting back to treat my Hives as I know the Varroa will be building up. So today I started my summer rounds, the first round of the season. Thats 3 months without opening a Production Hive, tested a few test hives on my Queen Block, 1000 Ha. I knew id be ok but also knew I was cutting it fine, pushing the envelope. Right now Im sipping a Bourbon and very happy. However this post is about that big Hive with the 20 Staples. Today I opened it up Two very good Brood boxes and 3 boxes full to bursting with Honey and a Mite count of 2 for a 350-400 bee Alc wash. So in went another 20 staples. This is a trial hive and will be used to test residues. The only reason this hive didnt make 4 or more boxes of Honey is that I only gave it 3 honey boxes and in my view this settles the question of OA affecting production Whats more almost every hive I cracked today had filled all it's honey supers. Today I treated and put all the honey back on which was a a lot more enjoyable than watching sewing machines for sure. OA/GL does not affect Honey Production The photo is of a brood frame from the big hive and is typical of the day. The Queens are slowing down as there is little forage
  4. 3 points
    @Ali your post here is full of #### - it's like all democracies, a majority of the voters who choose to vote. Same with NZ government.. you are now perpetuating lies and mis-truths. I was heavy on @ApiNZ Levy Proposal avoiding questions, most of those are now answered but you persist in claiming they haven't been. I recommend you do as i have, and pull out now. Nobody who reads here has missed your posts, everyone knows your position, i doubt you're doing anything other than alienating everyone with your repetitive ranting. You have posted nothing new or of value to the debate in days. Also, why are you ignoring the question about whether you were a beginner seeking experience and advice a couple of years ago. I don't believe you didn't see it. I've got a lot of respect for those such as @Trevor Gillbanks and @Frederick who are open about their skin in the game as well as their position. You do nothing on that front.
  5. 3 points
    First let me assure you I don't personally have any problems with what to do with your honey but just to keep MPI happy please remember that you can give it away but you can't sell it and bartering is regarded as selling. You are gifting your friends honey out of the kindness of your heart and they are gifting you stuff back same way.
  6. 3 points
    @Ali What is patently dishonest is anyone trying to represent "more that 50%" as anything other than a majority. It is unclear to me how we can put this any more simply than stated above. The Commodity Levies Act requires a majority of support of voters before a levy order can be passed. Period. Naturally we cannot count the votes of those that don't vote. I'm unaware of any vote across the world that attempts to count the vote of those who do not vote.
  7. 3 points
    Saw this the other day. It removes the risk of a leaking honey gate but I imagine you would need an air vent in the lid opposite the gate. It also allows you to share a gate between several buckets
  8. 3 points
    Traceability The Minister of Primary Industries at a recent conference gave Beekeepers the choice. Track and trace the bees or the bee hive. The major reason was Biosecurity but also Food Safety. There have been a number of significant incidents where traceability has assisted MPI. The best example; A farmer used endosulfan on cattle as an insecticide - South Korean residue testing of meat picked it up and the farmer was successfully prosecuted. Two years ago a Swiss researcher using honey samples (4 from NZ) which showed neonicotinoid residues in the honey. 3 samples came from the Canterbury foothills, but there was no data on where those hives had been used. No credibility in that study. Traceability is going to be significantly more important and many Commercials are already doing extensive tracking of their hive equipment and crops of honey. Barcoding and RF ID of hive equipment is a good example. I can see where a mango icecream maker or juice maker can have clear traceability back to the grower. He has the grower fruit tray identification and he can record that against the mango ice cream batch number. Tracking complete. As for what the Aussies actually do I cannot comment on that.
  9. 2 points
    I was asked to move an apiary once because the bees were swarming round the person's house. When I looked the house was over 200 m away and they were visiting a spring flowering camellia. The woman was renting the house which was about as far out in the countryside as you could get. I am always happy to move bees for a good reason but that wasn't one and I politely told her her best option was to cut the tree down. It always pays to be polite even if inside you are thinking those immortal words of Mrs Brown; that's nice.!
  10. 2 points
    @Ali This is as clear as you will get Under the Commodity Levies Act the vote must pass two hurdles. First, more than 50% of those that vote must vote yes. Second, those 'yes' votes must represent more than 50% of all the hives declared by those who voted. Once again I repeat, this is a requirement of the Act. ALL Commodity Levy votes are run like this, all 33 of them. Let me explain further. If say 1000 beekeepers vote and between them they have 50,000 hives, then more than 500 have to vote yes. IF that hurdle is passed, THEN they also have to own AT LEAST 25,000 hives. Have you looked at your voting form yet? You will see you have to fill in two fields. Once is a simple 'yes' 'no' the second is a declaration of hive numbers. For the vote to proceed both of those metrics must be more than 50%. This is also know as a majority Not sure I can assist further with this one. If you are still confused you could call MPI and ask how Commodity Act voting works. Again I would encourage you to read consultation material
  11. 2 points
    Yes it is. 13mm on the ceiling after I've got the rotten fibrous plaster off.
  12. 2 points
    @CraBee i had the same issue as M4tt with a big split down the middle of an otherwise perfect brood oval. In almost every hive. Shifted them to the edges and all is right with the world. Just put in new strips right through the middle and the same thin is happening. Doesn’t matter if i slide them in or hang them over a frame then slide into position. I checked one day after insertion this time and they have killed a strip of brood at all stages i use nitrile gloves for application.
  13. 2 points
    Unless constitutional law has suddenly changed, "newly elected board members" only become official seat holders at the end of an AGM, so any vote held at the AGM will be carried out under the watch of incumbent board members. Unless there is something I am really missing, it will be impossible for new captured levy payers to vote for 2019 board members, as they are not members until levy money is paid. Apinz rules state, levy increase can only happen at AGM by majority vote. If you are now stating today, Apinz have changed your written rule to now include a weighted proxy vote for that AGM, then great, but dont pretend it has existed prior to now. Hey I don't write your rules, I just read whats in front of us to try and make intelligent voting decisions.
  14. 2 points
    Without breaching any sort of confidentiality, I can't indicate what region this honey came from but the majority of high tut we see comes from the 'at risk' areas that have already been identified by MPI. This is not to say that all high tut comes from these areas..! This flyer from ApiNZ is a great summary resource for identifying those risk regions, compliance levels etc. https://apinz.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/1331_Saturday_TutinArticle_Digital_FINAL.pdf I'm unsure of the specifics for amount consumed but it was described as "a couple of teaspoons". The compliance level for tutin in honey is 0.7 mg/kg. The highest levels we've seen in honey (all taken off hives and extracted after Christmas) are upwards of 50mg/kg, or around 70x the maximum residue limit. Here's a document from the New Zealand Medical Journal that explains in depth the well-known case of toxic comb honey sold in the Coromandel that resulted in several hospitalisations. This article also explains what the common effects of tutin poisoning are too (e.g. nausea, vomiting, dizziness, seizures). https://www.nzma.org.nz/journal/read-the-journal/all-issues/2010-2019/2018/vol-131-no-1473-13-april-2018/7544 Hopefully that's of some help! More summary info here: Tutin_NZ Beekeeper_Apr 2017.pdf
  15. 2 points
    See the mega thread in diseases and pests section. It’s a 100+ page monster but is a fantastic thread.
  16. 2 points
    @cBank I think 4 is a good number. It covers you for loses. Gives you a hive that you can make summer queens from . And you may not get that much honey every year .
  17. 1 point
    It’s not unusual for docile hives to be quite grumpy at this time of year, anything I don’t like I will mark as a requeen and give them a second chance, if I go back again and I’m still having problems it’s off with her head. At this time of year it’s a very good idea to work your hive from the bottom up. Take all the boxes off glance in them, and stack them tidily so you can get into any boxes you might need to. Cover everything. Work the bottom box, do inspections and strips or whatever you need to do, put the next box back on the hive and work that, and keep going up keeping everything covered and then close it up. Do it as quickly as possible. Now is not the time for rubber necking. The less you disturb them the better, if you start digging around in the boxes all over the show and spilling honey and disturbing the bees your going to have problems.
  18. 1 point
    The whole topics got unnecessarily ugly . Im not taking sides or pointing the finger at anyone . Surely by now this whole things been thrashed to death . Most will have formed their own opinions ....... One thing is for certain . There are new participants contributing to the forum which is great, but how’s about we keep it above board and with good tone .
  19. 1 point
    Thank you John for 7 very worthy reasons against my earlier response. Seven, eight and nine are looking like you are scraping the bottom of the proverbial barrel to fill your quota. Down here in the lower South Island we don't suffer from ants, cockroaches, humidity nor aggressive bees. Every hive that I have seen that has died from varroa has had less than 100 bees left remaining, therefore no rotting/maggots and no smell. There are reasons why people usually keep the bees within, usually the cost of removal outweighs the nuisance value. As a beekeeper I would try to remove them or at least use expanding gap filler to lock them in and encase them in their own tomb.
  20. 1 point
    Well, all I can say all this indecision's bugging me so much, that if I don't Split now I will go into a coma and sustain a premature death from boredom. Before that happens I am "letting you know" I'm going to hit the sack now, cos it's goin to be 35 degrees here tomorrow and I am just "letting you know that I won't be cool".
  21. 1 point
    Its a fact that many Beeks saw a Spring Check and also a fact that some experienced Beeks did not. It will be interesting to see if those who saw it this spring see it again next spring. As for me, I dont see anything obvious. What I do see is a lot of Hives full of Honey and healthy Bees that have had minimal work and only OA/GL. A number of times an issue will arise involving a high Mite count or some other Hive issue and I will drop everything and spend hours out at my trial Block looking at hives only to realize, Hey just a minute, these Hives are all two year veterans of OA and if there was a serious issue they would be mostly dead, yet they are not
  22. 1 point
    There is no rift between APINZ and SNI, SNI decided on its own to become independent. APINZ can not stop anyone starting up a new beekeeping group, nor can any other group. If anything we thought it may have been a bit sudden and would have thought that waiting to see how the vote was going to go before making that decision.
  23. 1 point
    Like the email from JH and APINZ said today ...."Smart beekeepers plan for the future, and a YES vote is a vote for the future".
  24. 1 point
    @Ali there is no levy in place yet. This is the vote in front of us. Any future vote to increase the levy would be by simple majority vote. Again I refer you to consultation material or call MPI to discuss.
  25. 1 point
    @Ali Yes that is an AGM rule. THAT IS NOT A COMMODITY LEVY RULE. In the event that the levy is in place, ALL levy payers will have the opportunity to vote, whether at the AGM or not. As has been pointed out by numerous commentators, ApiNZ will change considerably in the event that the levy is passed. The investment of and accounting for levy funds is outlined in legislation. Again this was made clear at consultation meetings.
  26. 1 point
    @ApiNZ Levy Proposal can you please state for the record is the quoted post attached correct or not?
  27. 1 point
    @ApiNZ Levy Proposal, it would appear APINZ's overall stance is that of hive numbers in the bag by way of those operators with large holdings of hives and the employment of weighted voting to skew the result. A majority vote of levy payers would mean the majority of the payers without any weighting would it not? Which is on offer please? Weighted voting or unweighted voting on any levy increase?
  28. 1 point
    We are not a Christchurch group, and I never said we were a Christchurch group. We are the Canterbury Hub of ApiNZ and we extend from Southern Marlborough to Northern Otago, Canterbury, Westland and Chatham Island.
  29. 1 point
    I think he is more referring to Your comment that the ApiNZ board has not tried to communicate with any other beekeeping organisations. I think it has been clearly established that ApiNZ has repeatedly tried to engage with other beekeeping organisations only to be rejected.
  30. 1 point
    It is illegal to spray insecticide is on to flowering plants that might be visited by bees and that includes drift onto things like clover and dandelions on an orchard or vineyard. Having said all that I once saw around 50 hives badly poisoned in a kiwi for orchard by a neighbouring Apple grower using carberil . The council even had his spray diary but in the end declined to prosecute. Happened several years in a row. So yes it is a illegal but don't hold your breath about anyone being prosecuted or even stopped. I wonder if you would get prosecuted if you visited her flowering bush with a little bit of roundup.
  31. 1 point
    @Trevor Gillbanks Yes it is untrue. ApiNZ stands by its consultation on this levy. The fact that so many individuals have tried to form their own groups does not distract from the extensive consultation that ApiNZ has undertaken. One of the key benefits of the levy is to bring this industry together. It is true to say that in the absence of a levy industry will certainly remain fractured.
  32. 1 point
    Is it really untrue??. Before the forming of ApiNZ at the Wanganui Conference, there were two bee groups NBA and FF Big. Since the forming of ApiNZ we now have a least 3 independent groups. ApiNZ, NZ Beekeeping Inc, and SNI Beekeeping Inc. I am not sure about the Christchurch group, @Margaret Anne would you please clarify the Christchurch group position/ alliance. So, @ApiNZ Levy Proposal any way you look at it, we are more fractured than we have been for a very long time. The SNI group was formed from the old NBA regional group that could not reach a resolution with ApiNZ.
  33. 1 point
    With all due respect you had better go and read your own rules. I did not say the board could increase the levy, I said a majority vote at the AGM is required. Your rules clearly state AGM and not postal vote or any other means, just vote at AGM. As has been stated by ApiNZ and from your rules, the first opportunity to have this vote will be the 2020 AGM. You can apologise any time you like
  34. 1 point
    well decided to whip in and take some honey off the two hives i missed a fortnight ago when I ran out of time... 3 more boxes, (2.5 from one hive, thats a total of 5 boxes from this hive this year, pretty prolific ladies there, still has two boxes on it). And i even got the sewing machine out and sewed 20 strips, all ready for use now... now just waiting for my outside gas cooker to return from its holiday with my mate and then i can get these staples ready for the hives, yay! And yes i agree 5 hives is far too many for a hobbyist who cant sell their honey... luckily i have quite a few family and friends who love honey and quite like swapping it for fresh or frozen fruit, peastraw, etc bartering still alive and well. I guess tonight its back out with the extractor and clear these three boxes, and Im out of buckets... arrrggggggg
  35. 1 point
    Hi David, It depends on how many samples you've got but if you'd like to get your testing done through a lab you can get it done individually or as a composite (where we combine together multiple samples to give you a 'screen' result for all your honeys in that composite group.) If your composite result comes out at as a pass you can be confident that the honeys in that group are free from tutin. If your composite fails, you would need to retest your honeys to find out which (if any) are over the Food Safety limit. I'd recommend reading through this document to understand the options further: Analytica - Tutin Testing Information.pdf Otherwise cBank's suggestion of testing through a Bee Club is a really good idea if you want to keep costs down. Bearing in mind this comes with some risk that retesting might be needed in which case there would be the additional fee for the individual testing. Totally up to you with how you'd like to manage that risk. We've seen some pretty scary results come through the lab and heard first hand experiences of beekeepers being hospitalised after a few teaspoons of their own honey () so if you're unsure of the risk in your area I'd recommend looking through some of the resources from ApiNZ/MPI around tut testing or just go for it and make sure you're in the clear by testing.
  36. 1 point
    Thank you, I withdraw the comment - I was following on from another post.
  37. 1 point
    Working bees without a smoker is a fact of life in dry conditions . Excellent genetics are your first defence but how you move and work is also very important along with the time of day and honey flow. Weak hives are always quieter than strong hives and poly nukes can often be worked without veil or smoker. One of the main tricks I use when working aggressive hives is to just freeze when they initially attack, they will often calm down within 10 or 15 seconds and often stay that way whereas if you just keep going they just get more wound up. Good beekeepers learn to interpret the bees mood and adjust accordingly. Some people get this very quickly and some never learn which makes life unpleasant for both them and anybody working with them.
  38. 1 point
    i don’t think you could work that out unless you did a proper trial. too many variables year on year to know if a honey crop is better or worse because of staples.
  39. 1 point
    I have more Honey than I know what to do with
  40. 1 point
    There are so many more advantages to having two hives, than the “problem” of too much honey. Especially for beginners. It’s amazing how many friends appear if you have too much honey
  41. 1 point
    Yes In the hives where the queen won’t lay under the staples , or go past to lay on the other side , the staple forms a bridge, or barrier , and confines the queen to one end of the frames . This certainly affects build up . For this reason , at this time I move the staples to the ends of the frames and all returns to normal , quite quickly
  42. 1 point
    Kind of. But seriously, it's what wasps do at this time of year and for the next 2 - 3 months. The underground nesting wasps select some prominent landmark such as a tall tree or group of trees, and you will see hundreds of wasps flying around at the top. It's a mating thing, there will be lots of males and next years queens. Easy to identify because you can see they are not hunting or achieving anything, just flitting around. The Asian paper wasps do the same thing but their preferred location is bare timber with the sun shining on it, often at ground level. Such as timber decks, garden landscaping with railway sleepers, or bare tree stumps. Long as it's in the sun and hot.
  43. 1 point
    $22.50 Lega from ecrotec has served me well slapped on a bucket.
  44. 1 point
    Interesting you consider anyone against Apinz is old and senile and of no worth. The next generation coming through hundreds of family business that are members of NZ Beekeeping might be very upset with your generalisation. If our collective knowledge is worthless, why does every new wannabe come to us for all they advice they can get, and why does MPI when they want to know really tricky in depth Beekeeper knowledge, come to NZ Beekeeping instead of ApiNZ. There is room for everyone, but only if we force a rethink of egos with a NO vote
  45. 1 point
    I agree it’s frustrating - not least because it tars all sellers (including me) with the same brush. The problem with finger pointing with regards AFB is where do you draw the line. How soon after sale could a new hive or nuc theoretically contract AFB from its new location. Of course all experienced beekeepers will have a view on that, but it would be an interesting one to defend in court. for us we’ve only had one instance where we were notified by the new owner of an issue, some 8 months after purchase. They destroyed those hives and we replaced them free of charge as a matter of course. I wasn’t at all confident it was our issue, couldn’t find AFB in any nucs from the same location, but replaced them regardless as part of looking after our customer. No issue reported with the replacements. Like anything in life, there are those trying to build a business (which if you want it to work long term you have to act responsibly) and those who see an opportunity to make a quick buck. Caveat emptor for sure
  46. 1 point
    Read the label on the packet. It clearly states FOB = frames of bees NOT frames of brood. So if you have (in the case of Apivar) 5 Frames Of Bees or less then use one strip, 6-10 Frames Of Bees the use two strips. Brood box is the terminology to describe where the treatments are placed not to decide how much brood there is.
  47. 1 point
    Dennis I trialed the staples this year in 60 cell finishers . cells were fine, no problem with emergence and the same percentages of mated queens as we usually expect.
  48. 1 point
    Hi All, I don't have time to follow every chat group, but I got a notification about this one. I'm interested in your experiences with OA/gly in NZ, so please feel free to contact me directly at randy@randyoliver.com. >From a practical point of view the Hive is very tolerant of high doses of OA/GL that do not go as far as to wet the Bees That is also my impression. For a strong colony, 9 g total OA in glycerin on towels did not give great mite control. But neither did 40 g (4 strips) of the Argentine formula in double-deep hives. But 80 g total did when applied in hanging strips. But the mite control was no better than 18 g OA delivered on towels with the right OA: gly ratio. It's clear that there is a substantial margin of safety for OA between what is needed to kill mites (very little), and the amount that will cause adverse effects to the colony. What appears to be most important is how quickly the OA is delivered to the bees' bodies (via the "wetting" of the bees by the glycerin). And that appears to be a function of the ratio of OA to glycerin. As Philbee said, the key balance to reach is enough delivery of OA over time, but not too much. With the Argentine 1:2 ratio (1 g of OA to 2 mL of glycerin), the acid appears to get distributed too quickly, causing jittery bees and sometimes brood kill. This does not appear to be a problem with the 1:1 ratio. Since I've found that 18 g of OA/hive results in very high efficacy in my climate, I see no need to apply a greater quantity. The thing to keep in mind is that some OA will remain in the cellulose substrate (the staple, strip, or towel), so that amount does not count towards the 18 distributed grams.
  49. 1 point
    That sucks @jamesc . My money would be on either the lorsban or organo . I do a bit of heli loading , beekeeping and look after a beef unit , so guess I have a foot in multiple camps from a spray point of view . Avoiding spraying flowering weeds , especially with bees within flying distance is a good start . Spraying early before the bees start flying can’t hurt but the biggest thing is communicating with the land owners from the start . Most farmers I talk to are pretty keen to have a healthy population of bees nearby ,so a few minutes spent educating them about spray damage might pay dividends later . Of course there’s always going to be a few who don’t give a stuff , but hopefully they are the minority .
  50. 1 point
    First off. The chances of that QC being viable is very limited. Put a frame with eggs in from your other hive. Check in 3 or 4 days for queen cells. If there are queen cells then they are queenlees. If no queen cells they possibly have a virgin queen already in the hive.
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