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  1. Re. the many references in this thread to the MPI stuffup...before the election Winston Peters said "New Zealand First would scrap "MPI's wrecking ball," apologise to the entire industry for National's stuff-up, and adopt Unique Manuka Factor asap." Then he got elected as Deputy PM and...he's done the exact opposite! As MP for Northland, you'd think he'd be particularly interested in helping this industry. Time to step up Winston [and no I'm not playing party politics. Just disappointed the one politician who said he would sort this out, and has/had the power and opportunity to sort
    5 points
  2. every single mono floral manuka should pass the standards for a multifloral manuka. but they fail. that alone shows what a hoax this is.
    5 points
  3. Update, I couldn't wait any longer so had a peek and the brood is good increased and mostly sealed now and also there is new brood on another frame, so 3 frames total including the donated one from the other hive. But what I immediately noticed when opening the hive is the calmness. So I'm as happy as can be about it. They have enough honey tommy dave, almost 20 kg. But of course I'm hoping for more, now that they are on the right track. The other plastic hive has about 30kg honey. We got them as nucs in mid october so a bit late starting.
    4 points
  4. And about that, as it applies to honey harvest. The bottom line for most beekeepers in this day and age, is you just never know if your bees may have been exposed to AFB in the recent past. In my view it is essential that hives are checked for AFB at honey harvest, nothing worse then finding AFB in a hive after harvest but by that time you have lost track of the honey boxes that came off it. I thought this was standard procedure, but apparently not. I caught up with an old friend who has worked for 2 different corporates in the last 2 seasons, he was middle of the honey harvest. I
    4 points
  5. By all means blame MPI for implementing a standard that is wrong but don't blame them for implementing a standard. Beekeepers brought MPI's actions on themselves . They had years to implement their own standard but the continual fighting between different factions meant that nothing happened, couple that with rampant and deliberate adulteration and you can see where MPI were coming from. Just a shame they got it wrong.
    4 points
  6. sorry to upset you Trevor but every time APINZ has asked to meet with nz bees they have declined, and there has been many times the invitation has been offered, we are have been more than happy to sit together and chat but this has always been declined.
    3 points
  7. while they can, its an awfully big risk. stored afb gear is a risky situation especially if dealing with beginners. its a lot better if they just find a more suitable location to burn them. i've mentioned on here about a guy who started up over the fence from one of our sites. he lost his hives to afb (we lost about half of ours). his hives all seamed to disappear, but few years later he sells all his boxes, but no bases and lids. ie brood box, bases and lids went in the fire, the supers got extracted then sat in the shed, then got sold. thats one of the issues with stora
    2 points
  8. I will answer some now. Just to reinforce my thinking ya know. I reduced the entrances yesterday after you said. It was a detail i had forgotten about. Blocked one side of plastic hive entrance. Have inserted wooden entrance reducer with larger opening on other hive. I put OA strips in 4 per FD box on Monday. No signs of chewing yet. I will basically follow the known guidelines for this treatment and i plan to never use any synthetic type. Never done alcohol wash or sugar shake as believe it or not I'm not that curious about exact mite levels. I saw 2 bees with dwv craw
    2 points
  9. I went to the consultation meeting and suggested that levy payers should be able to apportion their levy between the organisations they choose. This to me seems fair and removes the threat of Apinz taking over the world along with the threat of the world taking over Apinz. All this talk of working together is great but there is a lot of bad blood out there and it will not go away just because were all in the same bed.
    2 points
  10. helluvah lot faster asking you for yes/no questions than apinz, and (in contrast to the other) you aren't even being paid to respond to questions on this forum thanks.
    2 points
  11. My understanding is that the borders were very close to shutting to manuka honey - rather than China asking. This applies to both the China and UK borders with the UK alone importing 3 times more 'manuka' than NZ had hives for Yes, a number of their leptospermum species (e.g. jellybush) have considerably higher levels of the 'active' markers than our NZ manuka. They also have higher levels of leptosperin, I don't know about lepteridine? Their standard is based on DHA and MGO to date ie easily adulterated No. The NZ standard has
    2 points
  12. Not a single meeting in Auckland, a city of over 1 1/2 million people with more than it's share of commercial beekeepers, so either travel to Whangarei or Hamilton.
    2 points
  13. You can get something written into your DECA. A large beekeeper i know of has an AFB room. During times of fireban or whatever other reason they cannot burn immediately, infected material is stored in this room until it can be safely burned. I recall a few years back, and the news report was linked on this forum, a beekeeper burning AFB during fire ban season, set fire to surrounding bush and it became a major requiring helicopters and a lot of manpower. Never found out if he was covered by insurance, but if he wasn't, probably would have ruined him. Pays to
    2 points
  14. Closing down for the night and received a circular/email from NZ Beekeeping Inc. encouraging me to vote against the levy; Below is my reply (apologies its a little repetitive!): Dear Geoff, I too have been around for a few years and am totally opposed to your message below and would love you to give me the same consideration in reading my message. A strong YES vote is the only means to a co-operative and cohesive way forward: Should this be the result those entities holding voting blocs will have an opportunity to contribute to the re-tweaking of APINZ and a
    2 points
  15. NZ Elections wont tell you how the vote is going until the end, but at some stage they may let us know the percentage of votes cast, just not in what direction.
    2 points
  16. Yes, though raising the level to 5 mg/kg also prevented a lot of kanuka qualifying as manuka which was a positive move. However, it also created the scenario where some good quality manuka honeys have too much 3-PLA to qualify as multifloral and too little 2'-MAP to qualify as monofloral, so they qualify as not manuka at all. I suspect there's a better compromise to be made on the 2'-MAP level. If I had to create a brand new definition it would probably be some combination of DHA, MGO, leptosperin, and lepteridine. Single test, half the price, simpler and more effective.
    2 points
  17. i was intentionally painting a ridiculous example to highlight the type of fears some might hold. I think that's the major type of fear though, that the levy will be spent on one of the following: a) lobby for something that will benefit only a few (but the few that can control the levy spend), or b) lobby for something that will be detrimental to small and medium sized commercial operators, or b) advance something that is irrelevant to most (in terms of numbers, not weighted vote) levy payers. Your simple arithmetic example earlier is interesting. What it fails to c
    2 points
  18. I will respectfully agree to disagree on your comment about NZ Beekeeping is not being a valid alternative, but to achieve what you propose requires an administrative structure and an inclusive mentality that does not exist within Apinz. Yes regardless of vote outcome, change will evolve, and only time will tell if this is positive or negative, but sometimes to stop bad behavior, you do need to raise your voice. We will work together on the otherside, and if we were joint Apinz CEO I am sure we would sort all this out in six/12 months, but we are being forced to have these dis
    2 points
  19. Interesting you consider anyone against Apinz is old and senile and of no worth. The next generation coming through hundreds of family business that are members of NZ Beekeeping might be very upset with your generalisation. If our collective knowledge is worthless, why does every new wannabe come to us for all they advice they can get, and why does MPI when they want to know really tricky in depth Beekeeper knowledge, come to NZ Beekeeping instead of ApiNZ. There is room for everyone, but only if we force a rethink of egos with a NO vote
    2 points
  20. My NO vote is not a negative vote, it is a protest vote. I do not believe Apinz will do anything you suggest unless they are forced to, and if they get a yes vote, there will be nothing powerful enough from fringe lobby groups to do anything that will change a direction that has been in progress since 2016. You and I want the same result, but age has a problem in that what I am seeing now, Ive seen all before. ApiNz were given a mandate in 2016 to join the industry together, and despite advice given to them to take transition slowly to allow all factors to be married together,
    2 points
  21. Way back in the day the common practice was to just dig a hole and burn the hive on site. This has not been a common practice for over 30 years for lots of reasons including forestry, fire bans and the fact that most farmers aren't keen on fires . You have to have permission to store AFB until it can be burnt but it is not hard to obtain. When killing hives with petrol be very careful not to use too much as the petrol will dissolve wax and that allows the honey to run out which can cause a real AFB threat. Hives and long-term storage can also attract wax moth and flies which also pose some dis
    1 point
  22. Ah, so you *do* blame ApiNZ for the falling honey prices Ali ? if I bring up your negative, repetitive and regurgitated comments then you’re going to feel I’m : . . which is sincerely not my intention. So so what is your answer Ali? How would you raise a fairly spread sum of money to benefit the industry and what would you do with it? we know you don’t want ApiNZ . . . so let’s hear from AliNZ instead. Go for it.
    1 point
  23. Maybe maybe not It just means that you may have to explain to a judge why you chose to shrink wrap the Hives instead of burning them. An outline of the wrapping procedure would probably aid your case. I know what course Id take right now with a fire risk as it is. There is a very real risk of substantial lose of property and life from a wild fire.
    1 point
  24. this sort of thing really needs to up the chain. see if they can make checking for afb on harvest compulsory, ie add it to their deca etc.
    1 point
  25. If you forget to cross a T or put the wrong date on a harvest declaration MPI will come down like a ton of bricks but you can sell untested honey extracted in an old chook house and they show no interest at all so I'm guessing that even if somebody has informed them nothing will happen. I am venting a little bit on this post as MPI have upset me twice too often this week.
    1 point
  26. Brilliant!! Better get your adult diapers ready then.?
    1 point
  27. Yes scaremongering, A positive Yes vote scares the crap out of me
    1 point
  28. And who pretty much single handed funded the fight to keep imported honey out of NZ ? The Berry’s of Arataki Honey, If it wasn’t for them we would be in deeper doo doo than we are now
    1 point
  29. sounds sorted. Glad to hear it. Nice work. next step. Here are a bunch of questions to consider, likely you've already thought of them. but, just in case, i'm sSimply posting them to get you thinking well in advance. There are plenty of right answers, my impression is you'll find one so long as you think about the questions : 1 - how many boxes will you overwinter with? 1a - how and when will you reduce the entrances? 2 - how much honey will you leave on each hive? 2a - how will you store any wets (as in frames/boxes that have been extracted from but still have
    1 point
  30. No. The SNI group did not send the letter. We tried to find the author but had no luck. I was under the impression at one time that one of our members started beekeepersagainstapitax. But this proved to be in error
    1 point
  31. Frederick, I like your positive approach for setting the NZ Apiculture industry for the future. Thinking beyond self and being positive about making change in the future. I was also interested to read you are not a member of any organisation - Api NZ, SNI or Beekeeping NZ. But you were prepared to pay the levy and work for a united organisation. What intrigues me is that there are a number of Beekeepers who are members of multiple organisations. This was the case with the NBA and BIG before they formed Apiculture NZ. Two present exec members of Beek
    1 point
  32. Ali appreciate your enthusiasm but this is starting to fit into the monotonous ludicrous scaremongering category!
    1 point
  33. Thank the powers that be that APINZ does not have control of this website and forum! It is plain to me that the only voice or opinion that they (and their followers) will allow is their own and if another dares voice anything contrary they have to be heartily disparaged, referred to as doomdayers etc etc etc. APINZ have managed to do themselves quite a bit of reputational damage. The lack of disclosed binding detailed planning and intention does further damage.
    1 point
  34. How much you wanna bet the vote goes affirmative ?
    1 point
  35. Sure they are bees and not wasps ? Reason for asking , the wasps are hunting insects on ours at present , and some trees have clouds of the blighters darting backwards and forwards . the trees are loaded with berries alright so possibly bees trying to get sugar out of the fruit ?
    1 point
  36. @Trevor Gillbanks We are on this forum to discuss the levy, not argue about poor past behavior. Providing a contact list to whoever wrote that fraudulent letter still facilitates the sending of that letter, regardless of its author. However, industry has far bigger issues in front of it right now, including this vote.
    1 point
  37. Are you sick. Where did I say that we sent the letter. I only said that we harvested the contact list.
    1 point
  38. You are so wrong. We did not use that AFBPMP database. We harvested the contact list off the MPI web site, which at the time was public information. This public showing of contact details was harvested by all sorts or companies to send out spam information. The contact details have now been removed. We did not use ApiNZ contact information. However, Facebook Beekeeperagainstapitax did use that contact information (I believe).
    1 point
  39. @Trevor Gillbanks I'm afraid you are confused about voting, there has not been any vote for the levy before the one that is taking place now. Really not sure what you are on about there. Yes SNI were sent a letter from lawyers. This was after an illegal copy of the database was used to spread false information. ApiNZ's contact details were also used fraudulently. That, incidentally broke a number of laws at the time, we chose not to take further action. ALL beekeepers have been invited to contribute. 9 meetings across the country, numerous smaller meetings and
    1 point
  40. Im not sure which message I need to take on board and I’m not sure what I said that was ridicule and my negative attitude you say I have is only because you don’t agree with my opinion. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean My opinion is any less valid than yours.
    1 point
  41. About as much benefit as a barrage of YES vote post it depends on what side you sit really. I find the posts saying how fantastic things will be if a levy vote is successful very naive and don’t believe a word of it. You talk of those of us against the levy as being negative but I call it being realistic. how lucky are we that we can both have opposite opinions and neither of us need to worry about the police knocking on the door
    1 point
  42. Do you not what experience or knowledge the person or persons had who decided on what the compounds would be. do you know if it was one person or a group of people and do you know if it was peer reviewed if there is such a thing for this type of scenario im interested to know just how much thought and real life experience was put into the decisions that were made. Effectively those decisions have put people out of business and must also have put a huge dent in the 1 billion dollar honey industry MPI we’re going on about in the previous few years I also wonder if th
    1 point
  43. Geez all these yesses ! you sound like Trump, build that wall, build that wall, positive vote YES, We will make America Great again , positive vote YES.......
    1 point
  44. You either pay a testing laboratory do do it or you taste test it yourself if you are not giving any away. The simplest is to harvest your honey by December 31 before any statutory requirement for testing kicks in.
    1 point
  45. Yes absolutely agree which is why we are fighting so hard to force an ego rethink from Apinz. With very little effort, structures could/would be developed that had buy in from 70% of industry, and equal use of of corporate and beekeepers knowledge from both Apinz and NZ Beekeeping. Instead ApiNZ chose to ignore advice and force a compulsory levy that has created a whole new generation of resentment to anything "Wellington". The only way this will playout positively on a yes vote, is if you get 40% plus of all eligible voters saying yes. Since Apinz thinks a turnout of 30%
    1 point
  46. I agree @john berry, but one of the vagaries of Trademe is that often the sale is concluded in such a way that vendors real identity is not really known - in spite of having to now put a beek rego in the advert. Asure Quality will not tell you who owns a number - just supposing the rego given is correct.
    1 point
  47. Just a heads up for anyone keeping bees in the poriati (hope I have spelt that right) area near Napier. There has been a robbed out AFB and this has caused an outbreak in the area. When buying or selling hives there should always be an AFB agreement. This however needs a time limit as the seller has no control over someone putting infected gear onto the clean hive. If someone sold me 20 hives which I had to burn I would have no hesitation in naming and shaming them. AP ones and AP2's are definitely covered by privacy laws but as far as I know individuals are not. There is nothing sto
    1 point
  48. As far as research goes I'm not so much focused on anyone subject as on keeping a viable research team going for those times when we really need them. There are a lot of things that need research and even Phils staples are one of those but we must also consider the future when undoubtedly new challenges will face us and hopefully our well-trained and up to speed scientists.
    1 point
  49. Here's four, not just one, substantive examples: i) ApiNZ runs a beekeeping conference annually, ii) ApiNZ publishes an informative beekeeping magazine monthly, iii) ApiNZ works with the MPI on development of a manuka honey science defn - needed to defend an NZ$250,000,000 p.a. export business (and so many incomes for kiwis), iv) ApiNZ is working towards an industry levy to support and extend the excellence of NZ beekeeping.
    1 point
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