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  2. The standard we have allows mediocre honey to be called manuka and almost pure manuka to be called non-manuka. Marketers may be happy with this but beekeepers are being hurt by what has proved to be very bad science. As far as demand for manuka I am out of the loop this year as I didn't produce any (apart from some 10+ non-manuka) but there do seem to be quite a few people sitting on quite large stockpiles which considering the relatively poor seasons the last few years makes you wonder just how well it selling.
  3. Fair comment. I've been scratching my head over this one a fair group of beekeepers I know all say past three seasons below average now not target crop , the demand should be red hot?
  4. doubt it, why would they take the chance of missing out if demand is greater than supply you wouldn’t risk it.
  5. I got a new beesuit, that’s about It for me.
  6. Maybe they want it to grow in the beekeepers shed instead of there's?
  7. You keep saying demand outstrips supply for mono Manuka. obviously this isn’t entirely true or there wouldn’t be beekeepers sitting on mono with no demand and no offers on the table.
  8. Well I've succumbed to temptation and tasted the stuff I've got. Initially it smells and tastes like our manuka, but there's a lingering slightly "offish" taste that i don't find too pleasant. It's going into the fire tonight.
  9. I was told yesterday about an operation that had to sell at $4.50/kg This included Non Manuka and possibly some low grade multi. The buyer was from off shore and came to NZ to buy honey It occurred to me, why would a buyer make a special trip to NZ to buy up Honey at the world price when he could buy as much as he wanted at home? Im glad not to be part of this fiasco for the next few years. As a side not I suppose its no secret that I hold over 100 square km of prime spring build up country through a very tight relationship with some outstanding land owners. For a while now Ive been waiting for the vultures to arrive and try and take my sites and thats what they just did. They arrived on the doorstep of the landowners and said this guy is going to go broke in here as the only Money to be had in the industry is in Manuka. My land owner, always to the point said, We like Phil, #### off
  10. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/112879049/honeybased-solution-for-cold-sores-just-as-effective-as-antiviral-treatments-research-shows "After more than three years, a trial led by researchers at the Medical Research Institute of New Zealand (MRINZ) has proven a medical-grade honey formulation derived from the kānuka tree is just as effective in treating cold sores as standard aciclovir cream."
  11. NZ UK joint combination You can label anything with the MGO content as long as you have the tests to support the MGO number. You could label it Manuka Blend, Manuka Multi floral, Manuka and Kamahi or Kamahi and Manuka regardless of which was the largest proportion. It could be just 10% Manuka and the rest many different floral verities and it could still be called Manuka Multi floral or Manuka Blend. Who said Australia is booming? It is a Thorn in the side. It adds confusion in the market and it raises questions over price. The AUS industry is a fraction of our size and sells at a considerably lower price. What we have learned so far is that the genuine Manuka consumer does not buy it and certainly would not buy it twice. It doesn't taste, look or smell like Manuka honey. This is the big issue. As new markets are emerging and growing the fact that there is a false product carrying the Manuka name is dangerous and concerning. Who said we had a bust? We can sell as much Mono Manuka as is produced. If all the correct markers are in place, demand still outstrips supply. Prices for genuine Manuka Honey have not dropped back they have just hit a consumer ceiling.
  12. From what I know, Craig split with Tahi years ago (unless some a reunion occurred since ) .. And running with another strongly competing operator. Tahi was run by his daughter when I visited a few years ago. And their beekeeping (at that time) left me with a lasting sour impression. Hence my nod to be aware. Talkers and doers. Manuka science must have been discussed end to end by now. And still it's debated to death.
  13. Can multi Manuka be marketed as MGO 30 then rather than UMF ? can you label it as Manuka with Kamahi or Kamahi with Manuka? not sure about biting us in the arse Australia don’t seem to be struggling to sell their faux Manuka in fact their industry is booming off the back of our bust. Strangely enough it seems nobody is taking the time to write articles about how fake it is or how they can label theirs as active, bio active or whatever and can even include peroxide activity in the equation. All those things that we were initially told we couldn’t do because it doesn’t comply with the Australia NZ food labelling laws.
  14. @Adam Boot, is it a NZ outfit marketing in this fashion?
  15. I think we are talking at cross purposes here. You can't sell UMF 5+ Multi floral in China or any where else. UMF is only applied to Mono Floral. I am specifically talking about MGO 30, 40, 50, 70, 83 Multifloral being Marketed as Manuka Honey. If the largest ingredient is not Manuka Honey how can the Label have Manuka as the most prominent feature? This is particularly important when the ingredient table on the label is not % based as per other food products. Do you not think that this sort of practise will starts to raise questions? Can you hand on heart tell me that MGO 30, 40, 50 has a Manuka Honey content over 50% or is even the majority ingredient? When you combine this with some marketing campaigns in the UK claiming that the only difference between Multi and Mono is the distance that the bee has to fly, do you not think this may come back and bite us on the arse?
  16. Sorry @frazzledfozzle, not up to date at present, but at the Whangarei meeting I had the impression they were all struggling because the new testing regime meant that very little qualified as high rating manuka. Will hopefully know more after June 8.
  17. @Sailabee what are the Northland producers doing with their honey ? are they storing it in the hope MPI change the definition?
  18. @Adam Boot I don’t think it would make a great label to have to have the largest word Multi or multi-floral whether it’s Manuka or not. As manuka is being bought for its health benefits particularly in China surely a 5+ multi-floral Manuka is better than a 3+ mono.
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  20. China are starting a new "Long march" which is significant. My crystal ball would tend to indicate that China's market access for NZ could become more favorable but that will be offset by the effects of the march. Xi has openly announced that China needs to brace itself for extreme hardship ahead, the Long March is a metaphor for hardship in that it describes the Chinese Communist Party's Red Army's desperate escape north in the 30's when pursued by Nationalist troops. Possibly only 10% of the Red Army Survived.
  21. An odd turn of phrase when we are talking about the long term protection of an industry here. I do not believe there is backstabbing involved when retailers and importers have concerns over consumer protection and honesty of labelling. It does not then take long for standards authorities and press to wake up. It may not be a big deal here or to you or us. In other countries though the largest descriptive word on the front of a food label has to represent the largest ingredient. If not it is considered false or misleading. Manuka Blend or Manuka Multifloral (especially when blend and multifloral are smaller text) suggests that the largest ingredient is Manuka honey. It did not take a PHD to realise this could cause a problem. Is it waking up or is it an inevitable consequence? Do we as an industry actually want to condone deliberate misleading of the consumer? I would hope not. I would hope that for the longterm prospects of the NZ honey industry, that trust, honesty and ethics would be up there with quality in the New Zealand marketing story and value proposition.
  22. Are they waking up as you put it or are there good old kiwis running around stabbing their peers in the back.
  23. It might be load of sh1T. I do not disagree. I do not make the Chinese import rules. If you want to sell Manuka to China it has to be low C4.
  24. The low c4 things a big load of sxxt I was getting 7-9% c4s and I was getting starvation in almost every Manuka site so I now add a frame of Bush honey when supering instead of a last 2L feed just incase it doesnt happen
  25. I think the pinch is across the industry to greater or lesser extents. The Manuka producers do not only produce Manuka and they are not guaranteed to always produce mono and or low c4. For most the percentage of Multi they produce will have increased. The value of the grades varies dramatically. If you can guarantee production on Mono then you are definitely doing ok. Anything outside of this is taking now has a reduced value. I also believe that there will be a tightening of rules around Multi Floral labelling over the next 12 months and this will nock Multi back again. Many countries are waking up to the fact that the way some brands label (legally allowed) is tantamount to misrepresentation of ingredients.
  26. Agreed, it is possible to be all theory - but when it comes to understanding the new manuka tests, a through education in the biochemistry is what most of us beekeepers lack. Not only having the education, but as the principal of Tahi Honey John Craig has a unique grasp of the problems which the new tests have wrought on the Northland area.
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