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1 hour ago, kaihoka said:

Will you get some poly cut to side and bungy cord them onto your 800 nucs.

The lid could be made to slip over 15cm to help hold them together.

The ends will be tricky. But the poly could be transported flat

I have hive doc nuc ,  I could wrap it in poly if I could get the sheeting 

Exacilly 

In the mat and on the sides and ends.

A spot of glue here and there.

Thought of that.

However my mating nucs are all combined 5 to 1 for winter and summer here is hot enough for small nucs to do alright.

most of my mating nucs have ply lids now which keeps the suns heat off also.

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I would be interested in some 5 framers but would have to see the design first. One issue with nucs of this type is they don't breath, can be an issue for wintering, would pay to consider that in your design. I move them around a lot so transportability a big factor ie, being rugged enough, and probably with some means of bottom ventilation so the bees can be safely locked in.

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i presume my hive doc nucs do not breath either.

i took out the internal feeder cause of condensation issues.

i thought about putting in the extra vents but the atmosphere has been super saturated this winter so i could not see that it would help.

the nuc had a big   lid that hubby had made me of plywood covered in tin over it.

that helped for warmed and stopping it blowing away.

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They don't breath and in winter it's a problem, however they do have a few gaps that don't let things get as bad as they do in a polystyrene nuc.

 

As much as I can with any spare equipment, I'll transfer any nucs going into winter, into full size wooden single boxes, even if it's just a 3 frame nuc with an empty comb on the outside edge, they'll still come through winter better than the ones in a corflute nuc.

 

Polystyrene nucs can winter well, if they don't get wet inside.

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The paradise nucs have a mesh in the back never had any condensation in them 

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Ive been doodling and have a basic concept drawn up.

Im not really interested in selling nuc boxes but if I can get a layout set up that works then Im happy to make the Cad files available to anyone who wants to order some flat packs from the poly outfit.

The attached pic is of the various panels that lock together with dovetail like corners etc.

There is scope to add vent etc.

My hinge top is a simple slab with a side hinge of some sort of adhesive tape.

my aim is to get a nuc that is cheap as chips but works.

Ive set this one up at 180mm inside width which is 5 frames FD.

Canvas or similar Hive mat

Poly nuc.jpg

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I don't think the bottom's quiiiiiite right,  looks as if it mirrors the side, not reversing it, more doodling required.

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True, the idea is there though he'll just have to re hash it a bit. Otherwise looks good Phil but could there be a piece out of the bottom with a plastic mesh in it, my thoughts would be say, 10 cm by 15 cm. Also I think a lid with some sort of overlap would be far preferable, both for robbing prevention and to keep water out. It would not have to overlap, just have a recessed bit with a raised bit to fit on the top of the wall.

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And oh, plenty room under the frame botton bar is a good thing in a nuc, 25 mm's maybe?

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I played with Turbocad for a couple of years until it finally drove me mad when I thought I had it under control but it would throw something else up.

I've stuck to pencil & paper since.

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32 minutes ago, yesbut said:

I played with Turbocad for a couple of years until it finally drove me mad when I thought I had it under control but it would throw something else up.

I've stuck to pencil & paper since.

 The bottom of the side is the same as the side of the bottom ... won't fit ?? Is that the bit ?

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Oh yes, I see and yes, will fix

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1 hour ago, Philbee said:

Ive been doodling and have a basic concept drawn up.

Nice work! You'll need a profile for the back without the entrance. Is the frame rest rebated into the end? If so you'll need to show that detail also.

 

@yesbut a nice, free, autocad equivalent is Draftsight by Dassault Systems.

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@Jamo I think you missed the bit where

2 hours ago, Philbee said:

my aim is to get a nuc that is cheap as chips

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Try this one.

Deeper and Ive added the rebate packer detail that no one picked up on first time around

As it happens the rebate packer is 20mm too tall in this drawing

poly nuc rev 1.jpg

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13 minutes ago, Philbee said:

Ive added the rebate packer detail that no one picked up on first time around

Ahem? :D 

 

You still need two end pieces - one with and one without the entrance.

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1 hour ago, Rob Stockley said:

Nice work! You'll need a profile for the back without the entrance. Is the frame rest rebated into the end? If so you'll need to show that detail also.

 

@yesbut a nice, free, autocad equivalent is Draftsight by Dassault Systems.

Yes Ive done the rebate which is just another profile of 12mm sandwiched in with the end.

All my nucs have an entrance at each end 10x20mm

If one isnt to be used I put grass in it

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@Philbee I missed that if you section it through the box to show a frame then you wouldn't see any of the dove tail detail.

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Just now, Rob Stockley said:

@Philbee I missed that if you section it through the box to show a frame then you wouldn't see any of the dove tail detail.

I agree but I dont comply to the rules of mainstream draughting.

What Im doing is saving time by overlaying views.

 

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2 minutes ago, Philbee said:

Yes Ive done the rebate which is just another profile of 12mm sandwiched in with the end.

All my nucs have an entrance at each end 10x20mm

If one isnt to be used I put grass in it

That makes sense. Perhaps annotate the end with, "two required"

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The drawing is useless without the .DXF version as the CNC machine cant read a .jpeg.

When I send them to the profile cutter each item is named and quantities are listed.

Id like people to pick holes in it as its going to be open sourced 

 

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I would have thought plain butt joints would be cheaper to produce, (less waste), easier/faster to assemble ie paint glue on and whack together, and as robust as polystyrene could be ...

Water base glue would paint on fast and grab fast...

The frame rebate could be easily cut out on a small bench saw, if the sides extend past the ends. (I know poly can be dicky to cut with power gear

but a small rebate would be fine.

 

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I did consider the frame rebate being cut out on a saw.

it does leave a raw edge though.

The complexity of the shape is almost irrelevant due to the CNC and makes the assembly much stronger and quicker to assemble accurately 

The glue takes a lot less load .

My main concerns are about the lid design

 

 

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