Daley 4,351 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 The sites around here ,from a well known outfit don't have any visible apiary numbers.Do these sorts work on the premise that,ppl round here know who we are so we don't need to put an apiary number on display??? I know who's where by what their hives look like, there are more popping up that I don't know now though. Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifruiter 605 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I will be moving towards putting hives in the center of farms, That way my hives get the best chance of forage.... Link to post Share on other sites
Daley 4,351 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Why? This whole thing of landowners being ripped off blah blah really annoys me.The bees make honey from plants the landowner has on his property generally he hasn't spent any money on planting or maintaining them he does no work on them they owe him nothing. The landowner does no work on the hives and spends no money on maintaining them .To say beekeepers are making money off the back of landowners doesn't stack up. Totally agree. I am pollinating clover. I don't expect anyone to pay me, I have no expectations. I'll leave my bees there all year round unless I'm asked to move them, I'll chat with everyone, I'll give them heaps of honey. But I won't sign anything, and no money will change hands, money is actually contractual enough as it is for me and if I am paying for something then I need to have expectations, I don't want that. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
CraBee 1,748 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Totally agree.I am pollinating clover. I don't expect anyone to pay me, I have no expectations. I'll leave my bees there all year round unless I'm asked to move them, I'll chat with everyone, I'll give them heaps of honey. But I won't sign anything, and no money will change hands, money is actually contractual enough as it is for me and if I am paying for something then I need to have expectations, I don't want that. Mmmm. Yes and No. The land owner is likely to have a very significant amount of capital invested in the property. If it is a rural property, the return on investment is likely to be relatively low, although if the market is OK they may be getting increases in capital value (or not - just look at dairy farmers the last two or three years). The land owner expects a return from their capital invested - which is in all likelihood is many magnitudes higher than a bk investment in providing hives on a property and managing them. So like any commercial negotiation both parties are lined up with their own perspective, and all going well some reasonable agreed position for both parties is reached. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Daley 4,351 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Mmmm. Yes and No. The land owner is likely to have a very significant amount of capital invested in the property. If it is a rural property, the return on investment is likely to be relatively low, although if the market is OK they may be getting increases in capital value (or not - just look at dairy farmers the last two or three years). The land owner expects a return from their capital invested - which is in all likelihood is many magnitudes higher than a bk investment in providing hives on a property and managing them. So like any commercial negotiation both parties are lined up with their own perspective, and all going well some reasonable agreed position for both parties is reached. If the farmers wanted to make money off beekeeping they would get hives and do it themselves. Most country folk are very keen on bees but usually are far too busy to manage more work on their plate. I know a few that do though. Most that I know want them for the clover and are happy with that (y) I think on marginal blocks with high value honey I understand that they don't make money off the land. I think it's more than fair to give them something in most cases even more so if they are struggling and they need it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifruiter 605 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 If the farmers wanted to make money off beekeeping they would get hives and do it themselves. They do... Fert savings! Link to post Share on other sites
Ros 24 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Totally agree.I am pollinating clover. I don't expect anyone to pay me, I have no expectations. I'll leave my bees there all year round unless I'm asked to move them, I'll chat with everyone, I'll give them heaps of honey. But I won't sign anything, and no money will change hands, money is actually contractual enough as it is for me and if I am paying for something then I need to have expectations, I don't want that. Like your style :bee: Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Got pics of one of the Comvita apiaries. Notice each piece of equipment has a bar code. If any of you comvita guys are reading this please do chip in and tell us all how this bar code thing works, how do you use them? Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifruiter 605 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Got pics of one of the Comvita apiaries. Notice each piece of equipment has a bar code. If any of you comvita guys are reading this please do chip in and tell us all how this bar code thing works, how do you use them? ] Logic would dictate that they have a barcode scanner on the extractor so they can tell which hive the box came from. Next time your there open one up and see if the frames are tagged too.... Maby when you have as many hives as them a notebook doesn't cut the mustard.... Link to post Share on other sites
Cyathea 354 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Logic would dictate that they have a barcode scanner on the extractor so they can tell which hive the box came from. Next time your there open one up and see if the frames are tagged too.... Maby when you have as many hives as them a notebook doesn't cut the mustard.... Opening up other beekeepers hives? That is definitely not kosher. I'd have a fit if people went around opening up ours. I'll never touch other people's hives without permission. Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifruiter 605 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Opening up other beekeepers hives? That is definitely not kosher. I'd have a fit if people went around opening up ours. I'll never touch other people's hives without permission. I would have thought that posting close ups of another beeks site/gear without permission was off limits.... But hay life's for living..... Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Did consider that however there is nothing incriminating in the pics and the location is not given. Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifruiter 605 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Did consider that however there is nothing incriminating in the pics and the location is not given. 3/4 of my previous few posts was sarcasm.... Guess which ;-) I do think it is borderline between the photos and the way you asked.... Link to post Share on other sites
Cyathea 354 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 I would have thought that posting close ups of another beeks site/gear without permission was off limits.... But hay life's for living..... Well I personally wouldn't do that either. Despite finding it interesting when other people do!! :mask: Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 OK well since more than one person feels that way I have requested a moderator to remove the hive pictures. Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwifruiter 605 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 OK well since people feel that way I have requested a moderator to remove the hive pictures. Cheers. Talk about the barcode system is interesting tho! Link to post Share on other sites
frazzledfozzle 7,484 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 OK well since more than one person feels that way I have requested a moderator to remove the hive pictures. Don't you dare cave to the PC brigade. What a load of nonsense people complaining about posting photos The hives look like any other hive photos on here. Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hmm well moderator removed one pic but not the other, his comment was he removed the one that showed numbers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Sharpe 140 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 The barcodes could be doing any number of things. From simple track and trace of honey boxes to hive inspections records that feed to an app. My partner sells them and in her spare time is building me an app for hive monitoring. She doesn't have much spare time so it is taking a while. I tested the barcode scanner on my phone and it still works from inside a plastic bag. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Stockley 3,417 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Hmm well moderator removed one pic but not the other, his comment was he removed the one that showed numbers. That was me. The difference here is that topic is critical of Comvita and the photos weren't uploaded by the owner of the hives. It's one thing to say, "Comvita has an apiary and we don't like its placement." It's quite another thing to start identifing the employee involved. If I'd been at my PC I would have simply obscured the rego and left the pic. Since I was on my mobile it was easier to delete. Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Rob you will note yesterday I used the report button to request that BOTH pics be removed, please do so, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Stockley 3,417 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Rob you will note yesterday I used the report button to request that BOTH pics be removed, please do so, thanks. I will not. The one was removed for the reasons given. The rest of the post is subject to forum posting rules. Make sure you are aware of the forum rules. You are responsible for your content and we do not delete posts, unless we see fit. Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 OK. I tried. Where's a moderator when you want one. Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Gillbanks 6,847 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 OK. I tried. Where's a moderator when you want one. Nothing wrong @Alastair. Don't sweat it. @Charles explained about the barcodes in another thread some time ago. Maybe he could put something up again as i could not find the article/posting. Link to post Share on other sites
Ted 404 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Got pics of one of the Comvita apiaries. Notice each piece of equipment has a bar code. If any of you comvita guys are reading this please do chip in and tell us all how this bar code thing works, how do you use them? [ATTACH=full]15142[/ATTACH] Not a Comvita guy but have reasonable knowledge of their "Apiary Management System" - AMS for short. Every beekeeping team has a hand held scanner which they carry with them at all times. Each hive is identified by a bar code on either the floor or the lid. All boxes are individually identified - not frames though. All hive work is recorded, feeding, requeening, varroa treatments, boxes added/removed etc. Hive strength is also recorded by frames of brood. AFB is recorded and any equipment that was associated with that hive can be identified even if is no longer on the hive eg honey supers. The system generates a red flag on that equipment so that it can't be used. Extraction plants are set up with a scanner so all boxes are weighed and scanned prior to extraction so they can identify which boxes went into which drum Using a continuous flow rather than homogenisation. Very useful for calculating landowner payments. Link to post Share on other sites
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