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Cost to make a topbar hive vs a Langstroth

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It's a beautiful thing, even thou it's a top bar.:rolleyes::lol:rofl:

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Nice one @dansar. Is there a standard set of dimensions that you're following?

 

You should add $5 and router a pattern identifier in one end. You could do nucs aswell and all the combs would be interchangeable.

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Nice one @dansar. Is there a standard set of dimensions that you're following?

 

You should add $5 and router a pattern identifier in one end. You could do nucs aswell and all the combs would be interchangeable.

Yes standard plans, but I have made it longer. If made to the plan spec it would have been too small. It isn't my hive but there is a set of nuc plans that I have as well.

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With what people are paying for hives atm $700 will not be a problem.

 

With TBH's there's 2 types. Rough as, that people made themselves, or, if it's bought, they probably want a quality looking product and the extra bucks to make that happen will be accepted.

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(Spoken with an elevated voice and fast)

BUT WAIT! THERE IS MORE

If you order now. You will get these accessories for free. Find a Langstroth hive owner who is sympathetic to your desire to have a TBH.

"Assemble. Put in Hive. Walk Away (spoken with top front teeth forward)" Repeat for every frame and checker it with drawn comb.

There is no need to wait for a swarm.

ORDER NOW.

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To help someone get a top bar going before getting a swarm or a package of bees.

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Should have taken photo before destroying it. Mark I was polystyrene taped on the edge only. They chewed most of it thus the right was not to shape.

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Mark II with tape to cover polystyrene and await to see what happens.

Mark III as shown on the top photo was made out of off cuts from the wider ceiling batten. Just the right dimensions.

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So that nothing was wasted, the cutout comb had a few of worker eggs. Distroyed the drone eggs leaving workers only and will see what happens.

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Beautiful looking hive, @dansar! Where is the entrance on this hive - at the end?

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Beautiful looking hive, @dansar! Where is the entrance on this hive - at the end?

On the side at end. I hadn't made the hole at time of taking the photo.

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Nice looking build Dansar. Your absolutly right that the time taken to build a quality horizontal/topbar is way is way more than to build a standard langstroth box. Just finished a couple of Langstroth horiontal 32 frame hives myself and would hate to think of a price tag to get a return on my time and effort!!! :). Although I did make jigs and templates on the way to make the next time a little easier. Your $700 seems very reasonable.

 

How heavy would you estimate this to be?

looks Like an easy 1 person lift ....at least when its empty.

What size mesh did you use (the hole gap) and is this large enough for the hive beetle to drop through?

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What size mesh did you use (the hole gap) and is this large enough for the hive beetle to drop through?

Welcome to NZBees @Bart. We don't have SHB in New Zealand, yet.

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Here is my first attempt at making a horizontal langstroth.

 

  • 32 frames,
  • color bond roof,
  • able to have 2 smaller hivers in the one box (if required),
  • follower board, 50mm wall thickness (19mm ply, 20mm insulation, 12mm outer skin),
  • drop down screen board,
  • oil tray cavities below screen to drown the beetles,
  • Able to ventilate top and bottom if required
  • Ventilated roof cavity
  • 50mm deep bee entrances hopefully giving the bees additional support to defend the hive (longer passage to get through)
  • 3 to 4 coats of paint
  • and weighs..... mmmmmm not too sure but its flam'n heavy requiring 2 people.

 

Plenty of inspiration from many sites on what features I finally wanted to include. Ive never done bee keeping and have probable gone way over board but it was fun making them.

 

Like I said above, would hate to put a market price on it!!

 

 

Welcome to NZBees @Bart. We don't have SHB in New Zealand, yet.

Ahh, nice. Hopefully NZ can remain SHB free as in Aus veroa free. I beleive they are more of an issue in warmer climates in upper NSW and QLD. Victoria's winters tend to moderate them a bit based on feedback from others here in Melbourne.

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Nice looking build Dansar. Your absolutly right that the time taken to build a quality horizontal/topbar is way is way more than to build a standard langstroth box. Just finished a couple of Langstroth horiontal 32 frame hives myself and would hate to think of a price tag to get a return on my time and effort!!! :). Although I did make jigs and templates on the way to make the next time a little easier. Your $700 seems very reasonable.

 

How heavy would you estimate this to be?

looks Like an easy 1 person lift ....at least when its empty.

What size mesh did you use (the hole gap) and is this large enough for the hive beetle to drop through?

Without the lid on, yes a easy one person lift. Maybe 20kg just for the main body. Used #8 stainless steel mesh. No SHB here but I would imagine the beetle would fall through that gap in the mesh. I have made a good number of the bench hives.

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Hmm, I reckon we'll try a top bar next season. Out of curiosity more than anything else.

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Hmm, I reckon we'll try a top bar next season. Out of curiosity more than anything else.

I have disposed of my long hive. Just too much work involved in running. I made several videos last season. Mine was 21 frames (2 boxes) and the bees did not want to go sideways that far. Not sure how you are going to get them to move along 30 bars.

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I have disposed of my long hive. Just too much work involved in running.

One of the benefits of being a hobbyist is having the freedom to try different things. This is my third season and it appears I can keep bees successfully. On my to do list are top bar and warre hives. Nothing better than first hand knowledge to sate endless curiosity.

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One of the benefits of being a hobbyist is having the freedom to try different things. This is my third season and it appears I can keep bees successfully. On my to do list are top bar and warre hives. Nothing better than first hand knowledge to sate endless curiosity.

Yes @Rob Stockley. That is exactly why I built mine. I had to run one for a season to see how it would go. Harvest was reasonable but nothing compared to the langstroths. I think I got about 50 plus kgs. My average last year was 75kg

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What price can you put on self respect?

I have no idea what you are trying to hint at. Spell it out please.

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Yes @Rob Stockley. That is exactly why I built mine. I had to run one for a season to see how it would go. Harvest was reasonable but nothing compared to the langstroths. I think I got about 50 plus kgs. My average last year was 75kg

I certainly wouldn't be doing it for more honey. Simply an opportunity to observe bees in another format.

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I certainly wouldn't be doing it for more honey. Simply an opportunity to observe bees in another format.

You've obviously got a lot more of your life left to waste than I have !

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Do your top bar hives have observation windows, @dansar?

I can add tinted, argon infused double glazing if you wanted it:D

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Nice work guys!

 

So does one have to squash the comb to extract?

How do you exclude the queen, if you need to?

Can one have entrances on both sides?

 

Thanks

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So does one have to squash the comb to extract?

Yes

 

How do you exclude the queen, if you need to?

With a shaped excluder ?

 

Can one have entrances on both sides?

Yes but no need.

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@Shine. With top bar hives you end up squashing the comb. In my opinion it's not a that big of a loss and it takes them about a week to 2 to rebuild one if there is a good flow. Also has the benefit that over time you renew your wax and give diseases a place to grow.

 

In regards to excluding the queen... I have found that unnecessary and with little hive management the bees will automatically have a brood nest in the center surrounded by honey comb. Just harvest a few combs at a time that are away from the brood nest. Those combs usually don't have any brood in them and are just full of honey. No need for a queen excluder.

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