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Mucking around in Google Sketchup designing a mini mating nuc. 4 frame capacity with a removable divider where the feeding area is, using either fondant or sugar syrup in a small container. Remove the divider and an additional 2 frame bars can be inserted. The divider has a rectangle of Queen Excluder stuck to the face to keep the queen out of the feed area. A circle could be easier to make so may go that way rather than the rectangle shape. I have heaps of short off-cuts from TanE box manufacture and it costs a fortune to dump them, cant burn them, so I figures I would put them to use as mini mating nuc boxes. Might have crack and building one tomorrow.

 

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Needs ventilation

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What size frame will it take and how will you get them drawn out? Some multiple of a standard frame would be nice.

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What size frame will it take and how will you get them drawn out? Some multiple of a standard frame would be nice.

I have a plan to make a grid to put the mating nuc frames in a standard box and put above a standard hive to get comb drawn out quickly and also make feed comb for them to overwinter on. Making mini supers for it as well.

Planning something like this - My mini nucs are about the same size as the Apidea.

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Mating nuc MK2

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Looks good.(y)

What sort of container are you going to use in the feeder?

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I have a plan to make a grid to put the mating nuc frames in a standard box and put above a standard hive to get comb drawn out quickly and also make feed comb for them to overwinter on. Making mini supers for it as well.

Planning something like this - My mini nucs are about the same size as the Apidea.

Ive done that Dan and it works ok except that if the partitions dont go full depth the bees join all the frames together.

The easiest way is to use first season white wax plastic Honey frames and cut them up in your compound saw.

Unlimited nuc frames

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What's the sheet of paper for?

Is this like the clues and instructions in orienteering for the queen to navigate her way home?

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What's the sheet of paper for?

Is this like the clues and instructions in orienteering for the queen to navigate her way home?

Hive mat.

 

 

Looks good.(y)

What sort of container are you going to use in the feeder?

Not too sure yet. The divider in the photo is in upside down... If I cant find a decent container I will use a zip lock bag pinned to the sides with some plastic mesh inside for no drown.

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If I cant find a decent container I will use a zip lock bag pinned to the sides with some plastic mesh inside for no drown.

Hmmm... sounds fiddly, how many are you intending to make? Are they only for mating - I have some quad nucs the same as Phil's and they have overwintered beautifully with a bit more size than your one. They also use standard components - single box, cut in half frames and I have top feeders divided 4 ways which is a perfect size to hold a 2L ice cream container with syrup. Your one looks great and if it's only for mating will be fine but a slightly bigger nuc would be more versatile - it could still be a single nuc rather than a quad but keeping it simple and using standard sizes makes sense to me.

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Rather than drawing comb in standard hives, just fill feeder, put a cup of bees and a cell in then shut for 3 days before putting them out. Bees will start drawing foundation while queen hatches and settles nuke. Put nukes out in evening and open entrances.

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Rather than drawing comb in standard hives, just fill feeder, put a cup of bees and a cell in then shut for 3 days before putting them out. Bees will start drawing foundation while queen hatches and settles nuke. Put nukes out in evening and open entrances.

Yep. I have done it before. I will have 60-100 of these going throughout the season. The good thing is once they are started they become self sustaining. I can even super them if need be (crazy I know but it will keep them going as a small unit through winter.)

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Rather than drawing comb in standard hives, just fill feeder, put a cup of bees and a cell in then shut for 3 days before putting them out. Bees will start drawing foundation while queen hatches and settles nuke. Put nukes out in evening and open entrances.

What age bees are better at drawing foundation. If you swap an empty nuc with a hive to collect the foragers, then remove the nuc and close it up for a few days or relocate, would that work?

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New nurse bees are best for that

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Your design is very similar to mine.

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They are so cute. My little girl wants some. With my awful woodworking skills, that's not likely.

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Cute eh ..... we make up lotsa poly nucs with a good dollop of bees, really thick sugar syrup and raw for back up.

Quickest they got mated was eight days .... must be nice and warm in there.

They do need to be tied down in the wind though. Twelve bucks each from apiflora ... you couldn't make them any cheaper.

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@dansar, if you ever want to get that diveder out again i would change that design once they have been used for a while like that that diveder will be a permant fixture, the only way out would be breaking. Only saying if you ever want to remove it.

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@dansar, if you ever want to get that diveder out again i would change that design once they have been used for a while like that that diveder will be a permant fixture, the only way out would be breaking. Only saying if you ever want to remove it.

Would it help if the divider was not in the slot but just fits like a follower board.

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@dansar, if you ever want to get that diveder out again i would change that design once they have been used for a while like that that diveder will be a permant fixture, the only way out would be breaking. Only saying if you ever want to remove it.

 

Yeah thought of that. Once the queen is mated and laying I will remove the divider and put in another couple of bars to make it 6 bars.

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Would it help if the divider was not in the slot but just fits like a follower board.

Yes thats how we do our quater boxs now, we had them like dansar has them in his photos but had to redo the lot they get glued in real quick.

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Hi, your design keeps the Q out of the feeding area. Are there any specific reasons for that? Just noting that in a "normal" hive or nuc the Q would have access to that area. Perhaps its not necessary, but I may be missing something.

 

 

 

Mucking around in Google Sketchup designing a mini mating nuc. 4 frame capacity with a removable divider where the feeding area is, using either fondant or sugar syrup in a small container. Remove the divider and an additional 2 frame bars can be inserted. The divider has a rectangle of Queen Excluder stuck to the face to keep the queen out of the feed area. A circle could be easier to make so may go that way rather than the rectangle shape. I have heaps of short off-cuts from TanE box manufacture and it costs a fortune to dump them, cant burn them, so I figures I would put them to use as mini mating nuc boxes. Might have crack and building one tomorrow.

 

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Hi, your design keeps the Q out of the feeding area. Are there any specific reasons for that? Just noting that in a "normal" hive or nuc the Q would have access to that area. Perhaps its not necessary, but I may be missing something.

You need to feed the colony, they sometimes build comb in there as well, don't want the queen laying in that comb.

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