Beeman1 123 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Any ideas for best varroa treatments this spring for cost and max kill of varroa in a large operation Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 what do you call a large operation? Link to post Share on other sites
Beeman1 123 Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 1350 hives Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 depends on how tight the wallet is :unsure: apistan/bayvarol should still be effective. however i would go apivar in spring. just watch out for the longer treatment time. then bayvarol in autumn. . do yourself a big favor and put a site aside and trail some alternative treatments. get it all worked out before your forced to roll it out across all the hives. Link to post Share on other sites
robbie frew 157 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 luckily you can use amitraz here in nz so that gives you 3 man made chemicals to use my Tau fluvalinate and flumethrin strips cost ...... Link to post Share on other sites
tudor 1,568 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 My understanding is that fluval Apistan and flumethrin Bayvarol are basically the same. So do we only have 2 with amitraz Apivar ? Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor Gillbanks 6,846 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 My understanding is that fluval Apistan and flumethrin Bayvarol are basically the same. So do we only have 2 with amitraz Apivar ? Correct. Apistan and Bayvarol are effectively the same. Apivar is a different chemical as you have stated Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Apistan and Bayvarol are different but same family. hence when they get resistant to one they very quickly become resistant to the other. resistance wise, you can effectively call them the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Kiwi Bee 589 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 So ,which have the amitraz? Apivar and....??? Link to post Share on other sites
frazzledfozzle 7,483 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Only Apivar has Amitraz Link to post Share on other sites
Meerkatt 192 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 So why is someone who advertises themselves as a long established commercial beekeeper and queen breeder (see their ads in the buy/sell section) asking about basic varroa control ? And you can alternate apiVAR and BayVARol ...or... APIvar and APIstan but not bayvarol and apistan ... easy to remember? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
G B 3 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Probably a knee-JERK reaction to poor management. May be of concern considering they're sharing the same area as you!... Link to post Share on other sites
Beeman1 123 Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 No knee -jerk reaction at all looking for new ideas .I thought this was great place for new ideas but was wrong . As always beekeeper going they only thing not going to share ideas just looking for negative as always Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 there really hasn't been anything new in the 10 years or so. couple of easy to use versions of products have come in but basics haven't changed much. how to use them effectively in your operation is something no one can answer. Link to post Share on other sites
Beeman1 123 Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Some beekeeper are try different treatments we all need to look for other ways to treat for varroa Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Some beekeeper are try different treatments we all need to look for other ways to treat for varroa what sort of different treatments ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,627 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 So why is someone who advertises themselves as a long established commercial beekeeper and queen breeder (see their ads in the buy/sell section) asking about basic varroa control ?Things like that happen, and can be when someone has been doing things the same way for a while & is (correctly) looking at alternatives. Can remember around 3 years ago being surprised when a successful commercial beekeeper rang me at home asking urgent advice about treatments. He is an experienced beekeeper but turns out one thing he'd done wrong was used Apistan when varroa arrived here, it worked, so he just stayed with that spring and autumn without giving it much thought, till when he rang me in a panic, cos his bees were badly mite infested not long after treatment. This was going to cost him big bucks but the answer was simple, I just said he should try Apivar. Simple yes, but he'd just got stuck in one way of doing things and hadn't given the matter much further thought. It happens, I'm glad people on the forum not afraid here to ask the basic questions, I know I have asked a few. Link to post Share on other sites
Rob Stockley 3,417 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Simple yes, but he'd just got stuck in one way of doing things and hadn't given the matter much further thought. It happens, I'm glad people on the forum not afraid here to ask the basic questions, I know I have asked a few. If I could give you extra credit for this I would. Top answer (y)(y) 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Scruffy bee 82 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 @Rob Stockley the school master:p:p:) Link to post Share on other sites
lovebees 77 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 No knee -jerk reaction at all looking for new ideas .I thought this was great place for new ideas but was wrong . As always beekeeper going they only thing not going to share ideas just looking for negative as always I am having great results so far using nothing but Oxalic vapor treatments so am just going to continue with that as a sole treatment. When I first got into bee keeping as a hobby I became disheartened by the over priced treatments that most people are using and found with the monitoring for resistance and mucking around with sugar shakes or drowning bees in meths and god knows what else that for all the hassle I actually lost a large percentage of hives. This year I am finding no losses and all my hives are looking very healthy. My belief is that if you can work out what is the best system of Oxalic treatments, that attacks the Varroa at key times during the year that you can keep the Varroa suppressed very well without paying through the nose for Apistan etc. I am also finding that using this style of treating there is no need to piss off your bees because the first treatment tells you the level of Varroa in the hive. It is just part of that series of treatments. Down side, it is time consuming but for me the results have proven worth it. Cheap and effective. Admin note: fixed quote Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Down side, it is time consuming but for me the results have proven worth it. Cheap and effective. for commercial beekeeping time is a huge issue. its not as simple as having a treatment that works, its being able to actually do it within the time constraints you have. oxalic, formic, thymol etc etc have all been tested with plenty of published results and many have commercial products available, but its being able to integrate or modify the beekeeping to work in with it. thats why i suggest run a test site to work out the kinks, the timings and staff levels. not monitoring and hoping a system works is foolhardy. but if you can create a system that is proven to work well and doesn't need monitoring then go for it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
lovebees 77 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 for commercial beekeeping time is a huge issue. its not as simple as having a treatment that works, its being able to actually do it within the time constraints you have. oxalic, formic, thymol etc etc have all been tested with plenty of published results and many have commercial products available, but its being able to integrate or modify the beekeeping to work in with it. thats why i suggest run a test site to work out the kinks, the timings and staff levels. not monitoring and hoping a system works is foolhardy. but if you can create a system that is proven to work well and doesn't need monitoring then go for it. Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 ........ ya need to speak up i can't hear ya Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,627 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Your comments are right on Tristan. I did some hives last autumn with Nassenheider formic acid, cost was only around a quarter of what strips would have been. But time was huge in comparison. For me though, I only have a small number of hives, so I have the time, it was worth it. But someone paying staff would have to do his sums. Link to post Share on other sites
lovebees 77 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Sorry mate and thought you may be telepathic. What I was wanting to add is that I am monitoring the hives every time I treat. I will be treating in the Spring as the hives build up and then twice heading in to Winter once the honey comes off.Once when the honey boxes first come off and then one last time as we start going into the colder days. In between I will be monitoring my hives visually for general hive health.This is how my treatments went this year and I am convinced that the hives are in far better condition this year then last. The beauty of oxalic is that it is easy on the queen, and has no effect on brood laying etc. Also not having to worry about resistance is also another plus. I am sold on it as a treatment and although first being weary of fogging acid into my hives as a treatment am totally happy with my results so far. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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