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You appear to be well up with the ' play ' @Love Honey ...can you answer some questions for me / us

 

** Who owns the " UMF " , trade mark and who are they affiliated with

 

** Does the ex minister of health ,, being TONY RYALL have share ownership in COMVITA

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@frazzledfozzle ozzle. The interim manuka guidelines are of the same view as you. The use of therapeutic claims on labels, such as activity, is prohibited on a food product, as per NZFSA regulations.

 

Stating MGO levels is not. Its a step in the right direction.

 

@Rob&\#039;s BP - Yes. Australian Jellybush tastes rather less delicious. I found this the other day in an IGA.

 

They're not selling it as a therapeutic product, but rather relying on the strength of the Manuka brand to move their stock.

 

 

 

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As an Australian I am disgusted at Capilano marketing Australian honey using the New Zealand name Manuka when clearly it is something else. Come on Capilano where is your Australian integrity or have you come from somewhere else.

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You appear to be well up with the ' play ' @Love Honey ...can you answer some questions for me / us

 

** Who owns the " UMF " , trade mark and who are they affiliated with

 

** Does the ex minister of health ,, being TONY RYALL have share ownership in COMVITA

 

 

For number one. That is the UMF Honey Association. UMFHA.org.nz Key figures are John Rawcliffe; with a background in the nutraceutical health supplement industry and comvita.

 

No idea. That information would usually be difficult to obtain for a listed company; unless it is a significant shareholding. You could find the share register at their head office; and maybe request under the OIA. But I do not know the answer.

 

Saw leptosperin mentioned on the UHFMA web site is this validated or just welcome ?

 

This is actually relatively new research that is reliable; but methodology is not yet validated. Hence the MPI project. It is a good method and reliable; and this study supports the statements I made previously regarding the use of unique chemical markers to identify Manuka, when the discussion was only just beginning and MPI were circulating questions.

 

Plausible authentication of manuka honey and related products by measuring leptosperin with methyl syringate. - PubMed - NCBI

 

Plausible authentication of manuka honey and related products by measuring leptosperin with methyl syringate.

I have a degree in Chemistry; and a specialisation in turning science talk into common sense english.

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I have a degree in Chemistry; and a specialisation in turning science talk into common sense english.

 

Thank goodness someone does :)

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It will be interesting to see what level is set for the particular markers they identify as exclusively from Manuka.

 

If the level is set to include 5+ NPA honey which has no proven health benefit over any other honey then this whole exercise has not been about protecting the reputation of high quality mono-floral Manuka honey.

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I have a degree in Chemistry; and a specialisation in turning science talk into common sense english.

 

I would suggest the latter trumps the degree. The ability to explain science clearly is a great skill to have

 

It will be interesting to see what level is set for the particular markers they identify as exclusively from Manuka.

 

If the level is set to include 5+ NPA honey which has no proven health benefit over any other honey then this whole exercise has not been about protecting the reputation of high quality mono-floral Manuka honey.

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The levels etc will indeed be interesting Frazz - and a project in its own right assessing these levels. There will be multiple markers I'm sure. I can imagine that activity may play a part but given that honeys like jellybush also possess NPA - and NPA seems to be an ingredient to be added these days - it will not be the full story.

 

I'll also add that a communication from MPI about the work being done is in preparation. It'll be common sense English - hopefully with little mention of words like 'quadrupole' 'tandem mass spec' or 'chromatography' @Love Honey

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I would have liked to have had full access to the article rather than just a snippet :(

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Cheers thanks for that @JohnF

 

Im looking forward to seeing what MPI come up with although i have my suspicions .

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@JohnF is there a reason the manuka in vodka should test much higher for Leptosperin and Methyl Syringate than the solid type honey products?

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I don't know much about the chemistries involved here Frazz but I would guess the alcohol makes the compounds more volatile and thus more easily measured. I'd have to ask Terry at Analytica about that.

 

Actually, I see Analytica are now offering it: Analytica Laboratories Limited :: Leptosperin

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Its interesting to note that the UMFHA has a patent on the testing of Leptosperin and currently only UMFHA licensees can utilise this test.

If it becomes a part of identifiying manuka and is a must do then something will have to change.

I guess it could mean a royalty will have to be paid for every test done for someone outside the UMFHA or all manuka producers will have to belong to the UMFHA.

 

I dont see the levels of Leptosperin required by UMFHA i guess they have a level?

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although i have my suspicions.

 

Oh, that's worth a laugh LOL:rofl::D;):whistle:!

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Its interesting to note that the UMFHA has a patent on the testing of Leptosperin and currently only UMFHA licensees can utilise this test.

If it becomes a part of identifiying manuka and is a must do then something will have to change.

I guess it could mean a royalty will have to be paid for every test done for someone outside the UMFHA or all manuka producers will have to belong to the UMFHA.

 

I dont see the levels of Leptosperin required by UMFHA i guess they have a level?

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To be fair Frazz, the authors of the paper above have the patent and UMFHA have a license for that patent. It appears that a royalty is required for every test done currently anyway

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It appears that a royalty is required for every test done currently anyway

 

Fair enough too

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Oh, that's worth a laugh LOL:rofl::D;):whistle:!

 

They have a vested interest ...it will be interesting to see if bushblend 5+ is allowed to identified and labelled as mono-floral Manuka....whats the bet it is?

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They have a vested interest ...it will be interesting to see if bushblend 5+ is allowed to identified and labelled as mono-floral Manuka....whats the bet it is?

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No idea ATM, so I won't speculate. But that was a great understatement earlier!

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