Maru Hoani 650 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 On 21/10/2020 at 7:14 PM, john berry said: Well. It is just as well I didn't name and shame because it turns out that that 5% of uncertainty was someone else entirely. I have just had notification that the inspection team found evidence of rob outs and as per the rules they can't tell me who but I do know is not who I thought it was. Sounds like who I thought it was has also got a dose at the same time as I did , of course they wouldn't have if they hadn't dumped a big site between two of mine. This is a good example of why we pay a levy . I reported a problem and it was followed up and dealt with. Same, I reported and the inspector in my region has been doing his rounds which is a good thing, hopefully people clean up their disease. Link to post Share on other sites
john berry 5,636 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 Found another AFB in the same apiary today. Once again just one or two cells infected. It was the last hive I checked and I was just thinking I was going to get away with it this time. I hope person responsible for this outbreak reads this. I am happy to take their apology and would be even happier if they paid some compensation for my lost hives and time. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
john berry 5,636 Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 I see that China has banned one New Zealand exporter of manuka honey because of AFB detected in the honey. I will say this for Chinese honey. You would be very unlikely to find any spores in it. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites
olbe 238 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Even more unlikely to find any honey in it !!! 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Maru Hoani 650 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 hours ago, john berry said: Found another AFB in the same apiary today. Once again just one or two cells infected. It was the last hive I checked and I was just thinking I was going to get away with it this time. I hope person responsible for this outbreak reads this. I am happy to take their apology and would be even happier if they paid some compensation for my lost hives and time. Same! I'm not looking forward to checking my site down Te Huahua rd after finding AFB the last 2 times, 10yrs AFB free before this year in this area. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Maru Hoani 650 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 9 hours ago, john berry said: I see that China has banned one New Zealand exporter of manuka honey because of AFB detected in the honey. I will say this for Chinese honey. You would be very unlikely to find any spores in it. I wonder who this exporter is? There are alot of useless beekeepers around and its a shame to our industry, I always though it was possible to get rid of AFB but there's too many cow boys out there who's heart just isnt in it. Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post john berry 5,636 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 Back to the same apiary today and another hive with one cell infected. Every time I find an AFB it's pretty much a whole day wasted by the time I pick it up and burn it. This one also has close to a box of honey so I will need a deeper bigger hole this time. This is hive number seven. One idiots carelessness and the cost to other beekeepers is pretty staggering. I have been inspecting two frames in each brood box every time I visit. You could ask why I don't do a full brood inspection and I would reply that it's partly a matter of time and also to keep robbing down which is very important with AFB. Given that every hive I have found has only had one or two infected cells it is also highly unlikely that I would have found them the visit before even with a full brood inspection as there was probably nothing to see. This would be the worst outbreak I have had in my own hives for well over 20 years and it's fair to say it has not made me happy. Perhaps it is time to change is some of the rules . In general I agree with the right to privacy when it comes to AFB but when an inspector finds robbed out AFB hives in somebody's apiarys then I personally feel they have lost the right to anonymity. Is it time to name and shame? 5 Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, john berry said: but when an inspector finds robbed out AFB hives in somebody's apiarys then I personally feel they have lost the right to anonymity. Is it time to name and shame? absolutly. golden rule is "don't let hives die from afb". if you can't do that then you should not be beekeeping. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
southbee 62 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 So frustrating and damaging, financially and morally. I think naming and shaming would be justified, bear in mind that the offender probably doesn't feel any shame if he/she doesn't care anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
john berry 5,636 Posted November 24, 2020 Author Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, southbee said: d bear in mind that the offender probably doesn't feel any shame if he/she doesn't care anyway. They might care if you were able to take a civil action for damages and if I find out whose hives they were I very well may do. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jamesc 4,924 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Yeah , feel for you John . One man's laziness two years ago cost us a whole heap of work. I remember once when I was deputised to take Jasper Bray around the bees we were talking about AFB , I still recall the sadness in his voice when recalling they ended up burning the whole yard. Somedays it makes you just so mad at other peoples incompetence. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Emissary 169 Posted November 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2020 15 hours ago, john berry said: They might care if you were able to take a civil action for damages and if I find out whose hives they were I very well may do. If you do find out, first thing to do is send them an invoice for damages. Make it realistic - i.e. fair values but make it complete, travel, time etc cost of digging hole.... At this point you have established a cost. The beekeeper may actually decide to pay the bill. I have experienced this. If they don't, they are now very aware of the cost to someone else that their actions (or lack of) have caused. At this point if they refuse to pay, you can take them to the disputes tribunal. The cost is low, tribunal is less like a court and more like an arbitration. Depending on how good your evidence is and how you present it, you have a good chance of winning. And if the media picked up on it, it might give some beehavers cause for some "positive" reflection. 8 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
nikki watts 905 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 21 hours ago, john berry said: Back to the same apiary today and another hive with one cell infected. Every time I find an AFB it's pretty much a whole day wasted by the time I pick it up and burn it. This one also has close to a box of honey so I will need a deeper bigger hole this time. This is hive number seven. One idiots carelessness and the cost to other beekeepers is pretty staggering. I have been inspecting two frames in each brood box every time I visit. You could ask why I don't do a full brood inspection and I would reply that it's partly a matter of time and also to keep robbing down which is very important with AFB. Given that every hive I have found has only had one or two infected cells it is also highly unlikely that I would have found them the visit before even with a full brood inspection as there was probably nothing to see. This would be the worst outbreak I have had in my own hives for well over 20 years and it's fair to say it has not made me happy. Perhaps it is time to change is some of the rules . In general I agree with the right to privacy when it comes to AFB but when an inspector finds robbed out AFB hives in somebody's apiarys then I personally feel they have lost the right to anonymity. Is it time to name and shame? or name and sue for loss of income. Link to post Share on other sites
Maru Hoani 650 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 10 hours ago, nikki watts said: or name and sue for loss of income. Now I'm worried, the last 2 times I went to one of my sites I found it both times, now I'm due for round 3 I'm especially angry because ive been there nearly a decade and nothing, one new beek comes along, second season, bang directly affected my site 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 24/11/2020 at 8:08 PM, jamesc said: I remember once when I was deputised to take Jasper Bray around the bees we were talking about AFB , I still recall the sadness in his voice when recalling they ended up burning the whole yard. Just out of interest James do you remember what year that was? Link to post Share on other sites
jamesc 4,924 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Yo ...back in '93 .... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Oh OK. Long long time after I was there. Link to post Share on other sites
Wildflower 465 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 On 27/09/2020 at 6:22 PM, john berry said: Most beekeepers are capable of learning from their mistakes. Beehive owners , not so much. Beekeepers and Beehive owners. I have not heard this comparison.I now have a 'polite'name for those that really should not be allowed bees. They make me sick. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kaihoka 2,976 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) On 25/11/2020 at 10:37 PM, Maru Hoani said: Now I'm worried, the last 2 times I went to one of my sites I found it both times, now I'm due for round 3 I'm especially angry because ive been there nearly a decade and nothing, one new beek comes along, second season, bang directly affected my site beeks down the coast from me are very concerned about Manuka health moving into the area. we have been free of AFB here but no one knows how the new guy behaves. Edited December 2, 2020 by Mummzie spelling/context. Know vs no Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Maru Hoani 650 Posted December 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 hours ago, kaihoka said: beeks down the coast from me are very concerned about Manuka health moving into the area. we have been free of AFB here but no one knows how the new guy behaves. Went to honey off my quarantine site and yay no AFB this time round and a box a hive 7 Link to post Share on other sites
jamesc 4,924 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 As part of a research project with the dogs we have been doing a bit of spore sampling in honey to get a handle on the dogs efficacy. Some countries have a zero tolerance for AFB in honey. Hills Labs can test down to 36 spore/gram. Our lab test honey samples came back as undetectable. Give those dogs a bone ..... 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Stoney 1,584 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jamesc said: Our lab test honey samples came back as undetectable. Sitting here with matchsticks keeping me eyes open burning the candle both ends with shifting.. .. Had a chuckle wondering to myself how much of that honey sample came out the end of the syrup hose.. .. am I about to get the wooden spoon..? edit to add.. great effort on the Foulbrood battle at Gowanlee James.. it’s a massive undertaking to clean up especially bordering the deadly red zone.. Edited December 4, 2020 by Stoney 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Stoney 1,584 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 There it is.. ask and thou shall receive 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Alastair 8,630 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 4 hours ago, jamesc said: Some countries have a zero tolerance for AFB in honey. Had an email from my honey buyer a couple weeks ago to say they will not be buying any honey that has a detectable level of AFB. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
jamesc 4,924 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) Controlling AFB is a bit like surfing ..... you sit down in the trough waiting for the big wave , knowing there will be a big wave .... it's just a question of when. The only difference is that when you are burning your hives you're not screaming Jeronimo. No, the feeling is worse than when you've lost you board shorts in the back wash of the gravelly beach. Edited December 4, 2020 by jamesc 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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