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Well of course, Manuka is the pioneer crop. The weed that pops up after the gold miners have moved on, or the farmer walked off the land.  It is the nurse crop to provide shade and shelter for the next generation of punga  and  canopy of rewrewa, or tawari, or kahakatea , or ......

So as beekeepers we also need to become Manuka farmers ..... rotating blocks like pasture, burning or spraying to ensure that the manuka is always the pioneer crop.

To leave it to it's own devices will  see  a down ward spiral in production of a sought after resource.

 

But of course, we all know that .... right ?

 

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On 4/12/2019 at 12:10 PM, nikki watts said:

% Manuka pollen according to the label

I got an 86% on my manuka pollen count one time 

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58 minutes ago, tommy dave said:

you're forgetting that nobody really believes that meeting the export standard means that the predominant floral source for the nectar is manuka. Not even MPI - they describe it quite carefully in that sense...

almost worth donating to get access to PMs/ unrelated - on a forum i used to moderate (still a mod, but no longer really active) there was a lot of jest about the use of PMS vs PMs given what the acronym stands for ;)

In this case the manuka came from someone who has a business making medicinal products  and a laboratory

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Hives can survive very high mite loads but generally not thrive afterward.
Its probably not the Mites directly that do the lingering damage but more likely the various pathogens that the Mites Vector.
The cleaner the mites the less of these lingering effects there are (Possibly)
I go around my trial Hives and see the ones that are behind and then sure enough there on the lid is their Autumn Mite count numbers. 

There is a strong correlation between poor doer Hives and  Autumn counts of 30+ and of course 30+ might normally be a death sentence for many Autumn Hives 

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On 5/12/2019 at 7:55 PM, Maru Hoani said:

I got an 86% on my manuka pollen count one time 

 

Maru who tests your pollen counts?

 

I want to get a verified kanuka honey I can market as such.

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And on that point, I dont lose Hives over winter that have very High Autumn Mite counts.
They may be behind in the Spring but they are alive and most are full of Bees now.
The worst Spring Hive in my trial (#24) had 68 mites/300 Bees, reduced to 1/ 243 bees for winter and is now 4 frames of Bees with a high Nosema count but it will survive.
 

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Thanks. There is a lot of kanuka coming into the hives this season i am planning to launch it as a labelled type, I'll be in touch once harvested.

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11 minutes ago, Alastair said:

Thanks. There is a lot of kanuka coming into the hives this season i am planning to launch it as a labelled type, I'll be in touch once harvested.

 How often do you actually see a bee on Kanuka ?  

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5 hours ago, yesbut said:

 How often do you actually see a bee on Kanuka ?  

When it's in bloom and the weather's good😂

6 hours ago, Alastair said:

Thanks. There is a lot of kanuka coming into the hives this season i am planning to launch it as a labelled type, I'll be in touch once harvested.

Hopefully not too much in my manuka this year, I'm only pulling the mainly capped boxes most the second boxes are full except they're not capped and jelly az so I'm just leaving it with an extra super hopefully $5kg+

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Same issue here, I got manuka but it's probably 50% uncapped and I got to take it cos a lot of other stuff starting to come in. The guy who will extract it has set up a de humidifier thing that blows dry air through the boxes prior to extracting, he is confident it will work.

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14 hours ago, yesbut said:

 How often do you actually see a bee on Kanuka ?  

I can spend hours with binoculars scanning our Kanuka and see about three bees.....yet the boxes are filling....

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Yes you are right. It has been a mystery to me how the bees get the honey when you rarely see any on the plant. :35_thinking:

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On 8/12/2019 at 8:52 PM, Alastair said:

 

Maru who tests your pollen counts?

 

I want to get a verified kanuka honey I can market as such.

 

@Alastair did you get a response from @Maru Hoani when you asked him who tests your pollen count? I have some honey that appears to potentially be from Phaceila and would love to know how close it is.  Very opaque and the colour of pale urine with an amazingly complex flavor.

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Hi Oma Merry Christmas. 🙂

 

Maru did not reply but another member emailed me with some info. So just been trying to find the email but it's gone i don't know where. 😳

 

Maybe the kind person who emailed me could post here?

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11 hours ago, Oma said:

 

@Alastair did you get a response from @Maru Hoani when you asked him who tests your pollen count? I have some honey that appears to potentially be from Phaceila and would love to know how close it is.  Very opaque and the colour of pale urine with an amazingly complex flavor.

Analytica offer pollen count testing, although they don’t identify every pollen that is in a sample. High percentage of unidentified pollens in our samples last season. I think that comes down to the lab technician building up a library of samples to recognise.

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30 minutes ago, dansar said:

Analytica offer pollen count testing, although they don’t identify every pollen that is in a sample. High percentage of unidentified pollens in our samples last season. I think that comes down to the lab technician building up a library of samples to recognise.

More likely a question of time....it's hard to imagine Moar's book needing adding to much...

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12 hours ago, Oma said:

 

@Alastair did you get a response from @Maru Hoani when you asked him who tests your pollen count? I have some honey that appears to potentially be from Phaceila and would love to know how close it is.  Very opaque and the colour of pale urine with an amazingly complex flavor.

I think what I thought was phacellia was very clear.

But now I know I get blackwood honey dew at this time of yr all my  previous ideas were wrong .

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21 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

I think what I thought was phacellia was very clear.

But now I know I get blackwood honey dew at this time of yr all my  previous ideas were wrong .

Just like getting manuka honey dew.

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1 minute ago, Bighands said:

Just like getting manuka honey dew.

Is that a thing ?

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6 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

Is that a thing ?

No, but interesting when it was tested. Even though there was a poor manuka flowering the honey was very dark and liquid.

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26 minutes ago, Bighands said:

No, but interesting when it was tested. Even though there was a poor manuka flowering the honey was very dark and liquid.

 

Yes it does happen.

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1 hour ago, yesbut said:

More likely a question of time....it's hard to imagine Moar's book needing adding to much...

What is the title of this book and author?   Thanks

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15 minutes ago, Maggie James said:

What is the title of this book and author?   Thanks

Pollen Grains of NZ , N T  Moar., Landcare Research 1993. Not easy to find. I have a copy.

 

More properly "Pollen Grains of N.Z. Dicotyledonous Plants. I set out to have a lash at honey pollen I.D. and bought a copy, but soon discovered there's a more to 

pollen microscopy than my pocket and was willing to bear.

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Thanks for your responses will try Analytica. Would be interesting to see what is being collected around here. I don’t have volume of just one thing but have planted a few plots of Phacelia and thyme and would love to know if they have influenced the flavour of my honey.

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