Jump to content

Advocate airborne take on honey situation


Recommended Posts

3 minutes ago, Ted said:

I guess my point was they talk about integrity and honesty but then go and pay $18 kg for 100% Kanuka (a couple of years ago) so at that price it is definitely being sold as Manuka.

 

Before UMF MGO or MPI standard manuka and kanuka where always sold as manuka, there was no distinction between the two. 

  • Like 1
  • Agree 2
  • Good Info 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 107
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

I’m really enjoying the advocate it’s had really interesting no BS articles that calls it how it is which is very different from the light and fluffy media releases coming from APINZ that talks of 25%

But in fairness, they introduced their pollen count method before manuka was a thing. They were groundbreaking at the time, introducing a standardised method to correctly identify honey types by the p

Anyone for Radish?

Posted Images

5 minutes ago, Ted said:

I guess my point was they talk about integrity and honesty but then go and pay $18 kg for 100% Kanuka (a couple of years ago) so at that price it is definitely being sold as Manuka.

 

Yup you hit the nail on the head.  

  • Agree 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Big Jim said:

Not sure how anyone can give their customers confidence that they are buying genuine Manuka Honey by giving them a pollen count on the jar,

How many years can the consumer be mislead about pollen counts on Manuka/Kanuks before they finaly give up and find something else to buy.......................

if it has manuka pollen in it then it's likely the bees actually went near a manuka bush. Unlike some of the honey being sold as manuka under the old approach of blend anything approaching bush honey and if in doubt stir in some chemistry

  • Agree 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, tommy dave said:

if it has manuka pollen in it then it's likely the bees actually went near a manuka bush. Unlike some of the honey being sold as manuka under the old approach of blend anything approaching bush honey and if in doubt stir in some chemistry

Isn't really hard to see the difference between Ka and Ma pollen? Hence the use of pollen counts. 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
19 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:

 

Before UMF MGO or MPI standard manuka and kanuka where always sold as manuka, there was no distinction between the two. 

Yes but that was when no one wanted it anyway nor did they have the ability to identify varieties by pollen content.  My point is they are promoting grading monofloral honey by pollen content yet obviously don’t take the same approach with Kanuka.

Link to post
Share on other sites
47 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:

 

Before UMF MGO or MPI standard manuka and kanuka where always sold as manuka, there was no distinction between the two. 

 

Yes. As a young guy I did 2 years in the far north, in manuka country, at that time as much as it was possible we kept the hives away from manuka as it was hard to extract and didn't meet the taste requirements for most people.

 

But what we got, manuka and kanuka were just bundled up and sold as manuka. I don't recall ever seeing a pot of honey on a supermarket shelf labelled as kanuka, I think there would now be a good case to do it though in fact I am considering producing my own brand.

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, frazzledfozzle said:

 

Before UMF MGO or MPI standard manuka and kanuka where always sold as manuka, there was no distinction between the two. 

But they taste really different .

I was given a couple of pure manuka ,umf 15, the other day .

It is very dark and strong .

Kanuka is much milder .

Link to post
Share on other sites
22 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

But they taste really different .

I was given a couple of pure manuka ,umf 15, the other day .

It is very dark and strong .

Kanuka is much milder .


pure Manuka using which standard ?

i don’t think you can draw a conclusion regarding taste on one jar of honey.

Edited by frazzledfozzle
  • Agree 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:


pure Manuka using which standard ?

i don’t think you can draw a conclusion regarding taste on one jar of hone

 

It was a strict export standard .

I was surprised how dark and strong it was .

I never get anything like that in my hives .

I have lots of kanuka  around my place ., maybe the bees never collect it .

Link to post
Share on other sites

You raise an interesting point Kaihoka. The manuka honey we produced when I worked in the far north (probably should add in 1970's) was a strong dark honey, it had an almost smokey taste and a slight bitterness. Manuka produced where i am now has a milder flavour, and some supermarket bought manukas I tried a couple years ago didn't even taste like manuka at all. (Think i know why). The local kanuka produced by my own hives is a really delicious honey when freshly harvested, but loses it's flavour after a few months in storage to become a more run of the mill "bush" honey.

Best i can tell, kanuka has always been sold mixed in with manuka, if it was extracted at the same time, up until the new standard. And after the standard, i know of a mix that was 90% kanuka passed the standard and was exported as manuka. Happy to disclose the packer by PM if anyone wants to know.

  • Like 1
  • Good Info 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Alastair said:

You raise an interesting point Kaihoka. The manuka honey we produced when I worked in the far north (probably should add in 1970's) was a strong dark honey, it had an almost smokey taste and a slight bitterness. Manuka produced where i am now has a milder flavour, and some supermarket bought manukas I tried a couple years ago didn't even taste like manuka at all. (Think i know why). The local kanuka produced by my own hives is a really delicious honey when freshly harvested, but loses it's flavour after a few months in storage to become a more run of the mill "bush" honey.

Best i can tell, kanuka has always been sold mixed in with manuka, if it was extracted at the same time, up until the new standard. And after the standard, i know of a mix that was 90% kanuka passed the standard and was exported as manuka. Happy to disclose the packer by PM if anyone wants to know.

in golden bay 80% kanuka to manuka.

i think 30 yrs ago there was lots more manuka.

the place had  lots of cleared damaged abandoned neglected farms when i came 40yrs ago.

an awful lot of it has now reverted to bush and gone through the manuka stage.

manuka is now only on the really sour infertile soils.

Edited by kaihoka
  • Good Info 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, nikki watts said:

On barrier the kanuka will outgrow and shade the Manuka at 30-40 years. Farmland abandoned in the 60’s/70’s is now becoming mostly Kanuka unless it’s swamp or windswept hillsides. 

The same as here .

So all these manuka plantings will have a limited lifespan .

The young small manuka is the most reliable flowerer here .

Is it the same other places ?

Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

The same as here .

So all these manuka plantings will have a limited lifespan .

The young small manuka is the most reliable flowerer here .

Is it the same other places ?

Perhaps it will need "farming" like everything else - or at least some form of management to ensure it is kept producing and the senescent manuka is replaced by new seedlings, if it doesn't propagate itself adequately. 

 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, Chrisdub said:

Perhaps it will need "farming" like everything else - or at least some form of management to ensure it is kept producing and the senescent manuka is replaced by new seedlings, if it doesn't propagate itself adequately. 

 

That's why it's often planted in rows, so it can be manicured to keep it youthfull

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, kaihoka said:

The same as here .

So all these manuka plantings will have a limited lifespan .

The young small manuka is the most reliable flowerer here .

Is it the same other places ?

Yes the smaller plants are more reliable but they also flower earlier then the big trees so it’s not always warm enough for the flowers to secrete nectar. 

We have a friend who trims our mid size Manuka trees after they finish flowering to make manuka hydrosol and oil. 

  • Like 1
  • Agree 1
  • Good Info 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Chrisdub said:

Perhaps it will need "farming" like everything else - or at least some form of management to ensure it is kept producing and the senescent manuka is replaced by new seedlings, if it doesn't propagate itself adequately. 

 

It seeds and geminates freely enough .

It just seems to not flower so well when mature here .

Prunning may help .

Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, kaihoka said:

It was a strict export standard .

you're forgetting that nobody really believes that meeting the export standard means that the predominant floral source for the nectar is manuka. Not even MPI - they describe it quite carefully in that sense...

17 hours ago, Alastair said:

Happy to disclose the packer by PM if anyone wants to know.

almost worth donating to get access to PMs/ unrelated - on a forum i used to moderate (still a mod, but no longer really active) there was a lot of jest about the use of PMS vs PMs given what the acronym stands for ;)

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...