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Two tiered honey industry apparently...

 

Nothing new that those in the business don't already know, but great to get it out in the public domain that beekeepers don't all drive Ferrari's and fly helicopters. 

 

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/116984265/mnuka-plantations-to-replace-wild-capture-as-honey-sector-faces-twospeed-market?cid=app-android

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It's about time journalist did some journalism and stop taking everything they are told as the truth.

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15 hours ago, john berry said:

It's about time journalist did some journalism and stop taking everything they are told as the truth.

The problem is nobody wants to pay for journalism, let alone news, especially not Stuff as they can't figure out how to turn a buck from it.

A well known adage is that, if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys and that really sums up almost all NZL news gathering these days.

A further example is that nightly TV news will tell us about the latest NBA games,  so I guess it costs too much to give us NZ news.

 

 

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Just a note that two of the people in that article work for companies that have a joint venture for growing manuka

 plantations, so they have a vested interest in promoting to land owners that plantations are the future of the manuka industry.

 

 

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Comvita own how many hives ?

how many hectares of manuka have been planted ?

how many hectares would need to be planted to support the amount of hives they run ?

the maths don’t really add up IMO.

 

these big companies that are running their own hives must be hurting big time.

They are in the same position as the rest of us regarding saleability of honey difference is they have massive wage bills and infrastructure costs that a lot of us don’t have.

i don’t see how they can survive keeping their own bees I can see them going back to packing and marketing but buying in the honey they need rather than producing their own. 

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23 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:

Comvita own how many hives ?

how many hectares of manuka have been planted ?

how many hectares would need to be planted to support the amount of hives they run ?

the maths don’t really add up IMO.

 

these big companies that are running their own hives must be hurting big time.

They are in the same position as the rest of us regarding saleability of honey difference is they have massive wage bills and infrastructure costs that a lot of us don’t have.

i don’t see how they can survive keeping their own bees I can see them going back to packing and marketing but buying in the honey they need rather than producing their own. 

Never mind the out-goings of a bloated board of directors, who would be hard pressed to lift a single frame of honey, never mind a full super, but quite able to make all the decisions.

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1 hour ago, frazzledfozzle said:

Comvita own how many hives ?

 

 

A year ago on a kiwifruit tour of Comvita they stated they had 42,000 hives, 2,000 of which were to be used for kiwi pollination.

 

Having re-read the article, as mentioned by @olbe, it does seem more like an add for Comvita rather than a state of the nation for beekeeping. They may want to be the kings of Manuka, but boy, it's sure costing them $$. They do seem to be putting all their eggs in one basket which from a business perspective is very risky, especially when by all the murmurings out there,  the current business model has left them in a bit of a pickle.

 

Good luck to them though, as with luck those out there who are also in Manuka can cling to their shirt tails.

 

All other honey types... well... hmmm...

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3 hours ago, frazzledfozzle said:

Comvita own how many hives ?

how many hectares of manuka have been planted ?

how many hectares would need to be planted to support the amount of hives they run ?

the maths don’t really add up IMO.

 

these big companies that are running their own hives must be hurting big time.

They are in the same position as the rest of us regarding saleability of honey difference is they have massive wage bills and infrastructure costs that a lot of us don’t have.

i don’t see how they can survive keeping their own bees I can see them going back to packing and marketing but buying in the honey they need rather than producing their own. 

I noticed Comvita were trying to sell some hives on trade me a few weeks ago.  Flying under the radar by using a private seller but from the photos it was obvious who’s they were.  Double brood box plus 2 3/4 honey supers for $325.  They didn’t sell - although there was some interest so may have sold after the listing closed??

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The "private sellers" were staff , last I heard it was 4000 to pollination.

 

 

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21 hours ago, Ted said:

I noticed Comvita were trying to sell some hives on trade me a few weeks ago.  Flying under the radar by using a private seller but from the photos it was obvious who’s they were.  Double brood box plus 2 3/4 honey supers for $325.  They didn’t sell - although there was some interest so may have sold after the listing closed??

I heard scuttlebutt rumour this was happening and that they had a LOT more ready for sale not advertised; not wanting to collapse the price.. I didn't realise it was on trademe. It will take a while to drip feed out any significant number of hives.

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9 hours ago, olbe said:

The "private sellers" were staff , last I heard it was 4000 to pollination.

 

As in, they were selling Comvitas hives, or, they were selling hives of their own that look like Comvita hives?

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not to surprising. i've been told they have shifted a huge amount of hives out of northland. not to surprising as northland active manuka is now being classed as a non-manuka thanks to mpi.

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5 hours ago, ChrisM said:

I heard scuttlebutt rumour this was happening and that they had a LOT more ready for sale not advertised; not wanting to collapse the price.. I didn't realise it was on trademe. It will take a while to drip feed out any significant number of hives.

as far as i can tell from their annual reporting etc they continue to book the value of bees and hives the same as they have each of the last couple of years. I'm probably missing something though as this would struggle to pass the checks of any competent independent auditor

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1 minute ago, tommy dave said:

as far as i can tell from their annual reporting etc they continue to book the value of bees and hives the same as they have each of the last couple of years. I'm probably missing something though as this would struggle to pass the checks of any competent independent auditor

If they do find buyers then it will but accounting is always retrospective so not yet

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8 hours ago, Alastair said:

 

As in, they were selling Comvitas hives, or, they were selling hives of their own that look like Comvita hives?

Definitely Comvita owned hives.

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As Ted said definately comvita hives, C358 is one of the outfits they bought out .

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1 hour ago, frazzledfozzle said:

What does a comvita hive look like ?

 

LOL, a few years back I put a photo of some of their hives on this site, then next minute there is outrage from a bunch of people cos i put a pic of someone elses site. Then a moderator removed one of the pics.

 

So i won't do that again, but one feature of their hives is that every part has a bar code.

 

Maybe somebody who knows what TM ad it is could post a link.

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On 5/11/2019 at 11:45 PM, Gwenyn Gwesty said:

Two tiered honey industry apparently...

 

Nothing new that those in the business don't already know, but great to get it out in the public domain that beekeepers don't all drive Ferrari's and fly helicopters. 

 

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/116984265/mnuka-plantations-to-replace-wild-capture-as-honey-sector-faces-twospeed-market?cid=app-android

Indeed a few common sense gems. A lot of excuses for their own poor business model and a smattering of complete and utter bull - Great article!

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21 hours ago, frazzledfozzle said:

What does a comvita hive look like ?

Much the same as anyone else's ..... couple of barcodes ..... rarely seen on Honey Dew .

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1 hour ago, Adam Boot said:

Indeed a few common sense gems. A lot of excuses for their own poor business model and a smattering of complete and utter bull - Great article!

wish it was easy to figure out what the book value they're using per hive is at the moment

edit, hell, i might just ask them

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On 9/11/2019 at 11:02 AM, tristan said:

not to surprising. i've been told they have shifted a huge amount of hives out of northland. not to surprising as northland active manuka is now being classed as a non-manuka thanks to mpi.

I had a dream and in this dream someone told me if you like to keep the competition away you need to make it very hard for the opposition to fulfill the requirements, if you powerful enough so you can have a influence in the wording or as you are the specialist with all the laboratories you can even give advice how the wording should be.

I know from a Raw Milk place as they worked on getting a permit to sell Raw Milk one of the requirements was they need to have a turnaround for milk tankers ??? She didn't apply to sell to fontera neither selling in truckloads wonder where this passage in the text came from. 8 Years ago I where talking with a beekeeper and I told him if beeks don't stick together and create their own market they will be gone, he laugh at me and said never that will be. In some years time when they have set up the plantagen you will be allowed only sell Manuka from plantagens. In the name to protect New Zealand Honey industry. Who will be the honey industry? Only the ones who can export. 

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20 hours ago, Manfred said:

I had a dream and in this dream someone told me if you like to keep the competition away you need to make it very hard for the opposition to fulfill the requirements, if you powerful enough so you can have a influence in the wording or as you are the specialist with all the laboratories you can even give advice how the wording should be.

I know from a Raw Milk place as they worked on getting a permit to sell Raw Milk one of the requirements was they need to have a turnaround for milk tankers ??? She didn't apply to sell to fontera neither selling in truckloads wonder where this passage in the text came from. 8 Years ago I where talking with a beekeeper and I told him if beeks don't stick together and create their own market they will be gone, he laugh at me and said never that will be. In some years time when they have set up the plantagen you will be allowed only sell Manuka from plantagens. In the name to protect New Zealand Honey industry. Who will be the honey industry? Only the ones who can export. 

I had a dream,...... it involved a pony, some honey, two ladies and a shoe horn...... If i posted it Trev would ban me

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