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When China wins a supreme Honey award as it has apparently done, in my mind it may be time to have a good look at our aspirations going forward.

If China  can do this, can we compete?

Short answer , Probably not.

Sir Bob Jones was once quoted as saying "When your opponent boxes, you scrap, when he Scraps, you box.
This is a basic investment strategy which is relevant in the Fighting ring also. (Sir Bob Jones is a keen Boxing commentator)

Its basic message is dont fight the fight that your opponents dictates

What can we do better than the Chinese in the primer sector

We can grow  produce and that produce requires pollination and we have plenty of land available or at least becoming available if the trends in Dairy are to continue.

We can also grow Bees. 
 

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I am not entirely sure why you suggest we should be competing with China so not sure I get the point? 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Adam Boot said:

I am not entirely sure why you suggest we should be competing with China so not sure I get the point? 

 

 

Lol

My point is buried in there.

In order to succeed, NZ requires either a level playing field or substantial and significant  point of difference.

China it would appear can now claim to have some of the best Honey

No use fighting that fight then.
 

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5 hours ago, Philbee said:

Lol

My point is buried in there.

In order to succeed, NZ requires either a level playing field or substantial and significant  point of difference.

China it would appear can now claim to have some of the best Honey

No use fighting that fight then.
 

 China is a very big place .

It is possible they have wild forage areas in the south west near the Burmese / Indian border and north of Harbin that produces very nice honey .

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12 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

 China is a very big place .

It is possible they have wild forage areas in the south west near the Burmese / Indian border and north of Harbin that produces very nice honey .

Of course, but we all produce very nice honey.

Honey is very nice by nature

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No apimondia award/s for our honey, like Philbee says, China did....

So,one day package bees to China... 

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1 hour ago, kaihoka said:

 China is a very big place .

It is possible they have wild forage areas in the south west near the Burmese / Indian border and north of Harbin that produces very nice honey .

They also have a province so polluted that all the pollination is done by hand because the area is so polluted bees will not survive.

 

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1 hour ago, Gino de Graaf said:

No apimondia award/s for our honey, like Philbee says, China did....

So,one day package bees to China... 

Hurumph ..... did any one put  NZ honey into the awards at Apimondia. We did'nt, but  had some on display ...... and were  pretty stoked with the feed back .....   

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1 hour ago, Gino de Graaf said:

No apimondia award/s for our honey, like Philbee says, China did....

So,one day package bees to China... 

The next Bee gold rush

7 years away maybe

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15 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Hurumph ..... did any one put  NZ honey into the awards at Apimondia. We did'nt, but  had some on display ...... and were  pretty stoked with the feed back .....   

I know of one. Imagine others did as well. Will try to find out how many nz jars entered.

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China is a huge country and I have no doubt they produce some very nice honey but it will take a lot more than one award-winning honey to change the world's perception of adulteration and contamination.

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6 minutes ago, Philbee said:

The next Bee gold rush

7 years away maybe

Imagine that... 

 

Just watched a Netflix show, Rotten. 

About adulterated honey, getting sent to USA. From China. USA put hefty import tax on after 2001, the honey then went via another country, like Malaysia- relabelled and sent on to America. 

Huge amounts went via Malaysia, way more than possible. Here we are jumping strict Export conditions to the same. 

1 minute ago, john berry said:

China is a huge country and I have no doubt they produce some very nice honey but it will take a lot more than one award-winning honey to change the world's perception of adulteration and contamination.

Wasn't just one. Several, I saw on that utube clip. 

7 hours ago, Philbee said:

Lol

My point is buried in there.

In order to succeed, NZ requires either a level playing field or substantial and significant  point of difference.

China it would appear can now claim to have some of the best Honey

No use fighting that fight then.
 

Need the resources to stay ahead. China continually beat the tests for adulterated honey. 

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It makes sense to export Bees rather than Honey

Send them as winter Clusters by Sea???

Not sure if thats doable

 

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Only 2 nz entries. China probably entered heaps more. 

49% of all honey disqualified, as adulterer. 

Though compliants made on the apimondias new testing lab. 

Just send hives, inside a reefer. With fresh air exchange operating. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Gino de Graaf said:

Only 2 nz entries. China probably entered heaps more. 

49% of all honey disqualified, as adulterer. 

Though compliants made on the apimondias new testing lab. 

Just send hives, inside a reefer. With fresh air exchange operating. 

 

Six frame Nucs, 800 to a 20 footer??

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15 hours ago, Philbee said:

Six frame Nucs, 800 to a 20 footer??

Yes, all with a particularly virulent AFB

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19 hours ago, Philbee said:

Six frame Nucs, 800 to a 20 footer??

And they will decide that they don't want them when they are half way there

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Don't worry, as we speak there are people out there who are seeking our products - serious they are too, it seems.    However, I am particularly impressed that they are interested in "rage products" -  I guess we all have a good stock of that this season 

 

 

 

                  Dear Sir.

Good day, we trust this letter finds you in good health.

We came across your company information from your country's trade bulletin 2019, and we deemed it fit to contact you as to establish a long term trade relationship after we saw your product (Food & Beverage/Medical cosmetics & Beauty Care product, and animal feed and herbal tea) Etc.

Kindly Send us your rage products for our study and order confirmation accordingly.

Thanks for your good co-operation and understanding as we hoping to build along lasting business relationship with your able firm.

Best Regards.

Mr, Onuoha Obassy   
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32 minutes ago, Jamo said:

And they will decide that they don't want them when they are half way there

When dealing at that level with that type you budget to be able to say "That ok Mr" Next time two time price.
 

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On 23/09/2019 at 5:32 PM, Philbee said:

Lol

My point is buried in there.

In order to succeed, NZ requires either a level playing field or substantial and significant  point of difference.

China it would appear can now claim to have some of the best Honey

No use fighting that fight then.
 

NZ produces a relatively small amount 20,000+ tonnes of honey in a global market of 2m+ tonnes. Marketed well we should be able to find a profitable home for our quality product. China is just one of many competing nations. 

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20 minutes ago, Adam Boot said:

NZ produces a relatively small amount 20,000+ tonnes of honey in a global market of 2m+ tonnes. Marketed well we should be able to find a profitable home for our quality product. China is just one of many competing nations. 

HI Adam, how much of 2 million ton of honey is truely honey? You seen the episode on Rotten Netflix show? 

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8 minutes ago, Gino de Graaf said:

, how much of 2 million ton of honey is truely honey? 

I was offered 1.4 tonnes of pineapple juice today , which I declined . That would have made some really nice honey 😉

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9 minutes ago, M4tt said:

I was offered 1.4 tonnes of pineapple juice today , which I declined . That would have made some really nice honey 😉

And a lot of pina colada .

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32 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

And a lot of pina colada .

Id try in in a soda stream with a bit of water

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1 hour ago, M4tt said:

I was offered 1.4 tonnes of pineapple juice today , which I declined . That would have made some really nice honey 😉

That seems incredibly random. What would one do with so much pineapple juice?

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