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On 15/07/2019 at 11:08 AM, Ali said:

It is high time for responsibility to be taken for the beekeeping industry by all involved.

i sure hope nobody stupidly advances licensing or quota or similar in the next two years - suspect that the problems will have mostly disappeared by then, but the increased costs and bureaucracy you're suggesting would remain

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On 15/07/2019 at 11:08 AM, Ali said:

It is high time for responsibility to be taken for the beekeeping industry by all involved.

Highly unlikely given all the commotion etc about joining Apinz

And how is the mooted co-op going I wonder ?

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24 minutes ago, tommy dave said:

i sure hope nobody stupidly advances licensing or quota or similar in the next two years - suspect that the problems will have mostly disappeared by then, but the increased costs and bureaucracy you're suggesting would remain

Problems that disappear are not always problems solved.

They are often just laying low waiting for an opportunity to reappear.

A low ebb in the industry is an ideal time for radical change and repair

After all isnt that how Beeks have always operated, doing maintenance and making preparations  in the off period.

What do you do all winter Tommy dave?

 

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2 minutes ago, Philbee said:

What do you do all winter Tommy dave?

much the same as in summer, keep shining those pants

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Appointed commissioners for each territory which rule where can be placed apiaries ( sedentary and migratory) - distance between and numbers. If some not oblige, problem is solved with  veterinary inspection followed with " gentle" police escort on the complete cost of person who is in offence.. I just say somewhat we have here ( not to think that it always function, but some order has to exist). I don't know your regulations and real possibilities at your place. But as you describe it, at your place is like in wild, wild west..

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9 hours ago, Goran said:

But as you describe it, at your place is like in wild, wild west..

Goran in my opinion is a truly neutral and credible commentator whose views are worthy of serious consideration 

11 hours ago, tommy dave said:

keep shining those pants

Im not sure what you mean

Do you sit down all year at a desk?

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55 minutes ago, Philbee said:

Im not sure what you mean

Do you sit down all year at a desk?

Most of the time I'm at work, yep

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2 hours ago, M4tt said:

A peak price of $2000 per hive ? 

 

Where on Earth did that figure come from .

I know a few beeks who sold their hives for $2000/hive at the peak.

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3 minutes ago, Dennis Crowley said:

I know a few beeks who sold their hives for $2000/hive at the peak.

smart exit sale rate, they'll hopefully be smiling forever :)

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On 16/07/2019 at 8:39 PM, yesbut said:

Highly unlikely given all the commotion etc about joining Apinz

And how is the mooted co-op going I wonder ?

The silence is deafening re the proposed co-op.  Anyone know anything??

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@Goran you are almost correct.

This is the Wild, Wild, South. Just a poor copy of the W, W, West.

When NZ was made all the rules were made in the favor of the white so the new settlers can not loose.

Even these days if someone has invested money into a business the unwritten law will be on their site. The person with money can not loose - the most important rule in NZ.

 

Compared to Eastern -Europe it is just a different type of corruption which keeps the small guys in a slavery lifestyle. And the unequal education system just makes it impossible to change.

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59 minutes ago, Kiwi Bee said:

@Goran you are almost correct.

This is the Wild, Wild, South. Just a poor copy of the W, W, West.

When NZ was made all the rules were made in the favor of the white so the new settlers can not loose.

Even these days if someone has invested money into a business the unwritten law will be on their site. The person with money can not loose - the most important rule in NZ.

 

Compared to Eastern -Europe it is just a different type of corruption which keeps the small guys in a slavery lifestyle. And the unequal education system just makes it impossible to change.

 

I think there is certainly a massive disparity now in NZ compared to say 40 years ago when it comes to the value of money and the value of labour.  An example:  Back in the day, even with much much less credit available, buying a house on one average income was very do-able.  Now, two good incomes will get you a house and a big pile of debt, let alone figuring how to raise the deposit in the first place.  So, @kiwibee is right, money rules, and intergenerational money and loan guarantees will probably get our kids into their own property, while those who don't own their own property, will not be able to support their kids into one, and so the cycle will continue.  That is a pretty rank result for our society I say.

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@kaihoka it may be the right time to move to EU if bkpers get financial help.

 

On the other hand the Russian problem may be our gateway to sell package bees to them next year March-April. They may not pay as much like the Canadians, however we have lots of bees and any money is money.

 

 

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7 hours ago, CraBee said:

 

I think there is certainly a massive disparity now in NZ compared to say 40 years ago when it comes to the value of money and the value of labour.  An example:  Back in the day, even with much much less credit available, buying a house on one average income was very do-able.  Now, two good incomes will get you a house and a big pile of debt, let alone figuring how to raise the deposit in the first place.  So, @kiwibee is right, money rules, and intergenerational money and loan guarantees will probably get our kids into their own property, while those who don't own their own property, will not be able to support their kids into one, and so the cycle will continue.  That is a pretty rank result for our society I say.

 

Affordable housing depends entirely on where you live.

There are many towns outside of the main centres that are affordable. 

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5 hours ago, frazzledfozzle said:

 

Affordable housing depends entirely on where you live.

There are many towns outside of the main centres that are affordable. 

The problem is that unlike any other time in our history, we now have true 'city children' being raised in inner-city apartments, who are ill-fitted to live rurally, and have been educated to believe that BA or B Com degrees will provide them with all they need to earn big dollars. By the time they hit the labour market in early twenties, they have a huge student debt, and absolutely no work experience, with huge expectations as starting work as a CEO.

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2 hours ago, Sailabee said:

The problem is that unlike any other time in our history, we now have true 'city children' being raised in inner-city apartments, who are ill-fitted to live rurally, and have been educated to believe that BA or B Com degrees will provide them with all they need to earn big dollars. By the time they hit the labour market in early twenties, they have a huge student debt, and absolutely no work experience, with huge expectations as starting work as a CEO.

 

Towns outside the main centres are not rural.

I don’t for a minute understand why anyone who wants to own their own home would choose to live in Auckland .

There have always been people who rented but now every man and his dog thinks they have a right to be able to own and not rent.

My parents rented until I was 18 .

First homes back when we were looking didn’t come with 3 bedrooms 2 lounges internal garage, en-suite and carpet and filled with all the mod cons and nice furniture.

Back when we were looking at a mortgage lending rules were incredibly tight and interest rates very high not like now where it seems you can mortgage yourself to the hilt no problems. 

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5 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:

Back when we were looking at a mortgage lending rules were incredibly tight and interest rates very high not like now where it seems you can mortgage yourself to the hilt no problems. 

Yes, living in the tool shed and paying 24% on the section.

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Much of the cost of new housing is the change in expectations in size, and facilities - imagine a new house with only one bathroom? We are demanding huge homes with all the best of bells and whistles when most families have never spent so little time as a family as they do now.  

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3 hours ago, Sailabee said:

The problem is that unlike any other time in our history, we now have true 'city children' being raised in inner-city apartments, who are ill-fitted to live rurally, and have been educated to believe that BA or B Com degrees will provide them with all they need to earn big dollars. By the time they hit the labour market in early twenties, they have a huge student debt, and absolutely no work experience, with huge expectations as starting work as a CEO.

This is correct and Ive seen a few similar cycles in my time.
In the leadup to the 1987 share market crash, during the period when shares were so exciting and even had their own TV slot just like the "BLOCK" it was the "IN"goal of many school leavers to become Accountants and earn 250k per year.

The share market crashed and for a long time so did those types of incomes.

Now or at least recently its the era of the tradesman where six figure incomes and strong ongoing demand are being experienced.

The word now is "get a Trade"

However, while trades are great ways to set yourself up for a life of being capable and independent Kiwis, they too are facing pressure from economic conditions.

Emerging power tradesmen are far more competitive then ours, often 1/3 the price.

In the past I feel that skilled people have been prepared to join the workforce at whatever point in the cycle they could and ride the highs and lows as they came and went.
 

 

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6 minutes ago, Philbee said:

Emerging power tradesmen are far more competitive then ours, often 1/3 the price.

Logically enough, because their cost of living is 1/4 of ours.

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26 minutes ago, yesbut said:

Logically enough, because their cost of living is 1/4 of ours.

Reality is that its far more than that.

There are teams of imported tradesman in NZ and other countries  that spend their working lives away from their families but send money home.
For example They they will work for $20/hr welding in NZ when the Kiwi welder will be working alongside them on $60 or more/hr.

I remember asking an Indian welder once"do you have a cow"?

He smiled and said "yes, I have 2 Cows and a Buffalo"

With that he produced a smart phone and show me a photo of his toothless grandmother smiling while she milked the Cow in some rural village.

These guy's family life is centered around  Skype and I feel they make enormous scarifies in order to provide for their families.

They accept that this is their lot.

  

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15 hours ago, Sailabee said:

 

Much of the cost of new housing is the change in expectations in size, and facilities - imagine a new house with only one bathroom? We are demanding huge homes with all the best of bells and whistles when most families have never spent so little time as a family as they do now.  

We only had 1 bathroom for a family of  at least 6.

If the kids got desperate they could always use the long drop out behind the house truck .

The kids complained about many things but having only one bathroom was never one of them .

But we had the toilet in a separate room .

Puting the toilet in the bathroom is a weird modern idea .

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