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3 minutes ago, Josh said:

@Trevor Gillbanks how embarrassing. I had a boy’s look and missed yours. 

No worry.  There are about 120 of them so you can be forgiven.

In future.  Go to youtube

Type in Trevs Bees then a catch word  in this case CO2 or Alcohol wash).

That way you will only get my video of what you are looking for.

 

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6 hours ago, Philbee said:

Here is a video I made today about Mite washing
Not in Trev's league but gets my basics across, I hope

https://youtu.be/HEp83ru6zO4

 

To clarify the counting bit
Once the shake is done the mites are in the clear lower bowl
I carefully pour the meths back into the drum ensuring the mites dont flow back into the drum also
They tend to be heavy so its unlikely they do this.
Then with just a few MLs of meths left in the bowl I count the mites by looking down into the Bowl rather than the alternative system of holding the bowl up and counting mites through the clear plastic.
Often there is a lot of debris in the bowl and looking down into the bowl is far more accurate

How long since your last treatment went in? And was that 2 mites? 

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9 minutes ago, Maru Hoani said:

How long since your last treatment went in? And was that 2 mites? 

Those Staples went in 6 or 8 weeks ago and that was a  2 mite count for 350 Bees

There was very little Brood in the Hive so I would say those Mites were from other hives.

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I just count the daily varroa fall on the board, as long I find only 1-2 mites I don't do anything only if the count is above 2 I tread with AS.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Alastair said:

AS?

 

Short for Arse. Presumably has some sort of super hero fart power. Kills varroa mites with one blast. 💩💥

 

Sorry. Clearly spending way too much school holiday time with my boys...

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I read it as AxSalic 

 

And then I re read it and got ' I tread with A Shoe'

 

Realistically , I think I'm way off 

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On 13/04/2019 at 5:15 PM, M4tt said:

I'd go as far as saying 8 strips for two boxes of bees.

 

The brood thing is misleading and encourages people to undertreat.

 

That said, I've gone away from such products as my results were poor even with full treatment 

 

Yes fair enough. How do you control varroa?

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2 minutes ago, Shine said:

 

Yes fair enough. How do you control varroa?

@Philbee‘s Oxalic acid and glycerine paper tape staples 👍

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Today I check a site at my friends farm by the Mihi Bridge near Rotorua

This is Hive country and this is just another site.
The Hives were treated in Spring, are 3 boxes with no queen excluders.

Each box got 3 or 4 Staples back in September and Staples today.

Today the 4 tested Hives had counts of 8,0,5,4. and all hives were mint.

All hives are Darkish Bees

Heaps of Honey but none taken

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On 16/04/2019 at 12:58 PM, M4tt said:

I read it as AxSalic 

 

And then I re read it and got ' I tread with A Shoe'

 

Realistically , I think I'm way off 

 

That Actually made me laugh out loud :) 

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45 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:

I read it as AxSalic 

Likely, but why doesn't the OP clarify it for us

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This afternoon I initiated the 'jamesc mite research program.' Although it's still awaiting clearance from funding as apparently they are having a few issues, I  thought we'd get it under way sooner rather than later .....

 

Six pallets - 24 hives of newbees made up  in October 2018.  These nucs were put over into full depth boxes at Christmas , treated with two staples and moved up onto the Dew in mid February. Mostly they are double broods now with good levels of stores.

Of the 24, one was dead ..... drone layer. Of the remaining 23, 9 had mite issues, from DWV to visible mites to on the verge of death. 

I treated them all again with four staples.

The couple of near death weak hives  I treated with two staples and swapped position with a strong hive.

 

I then went down to the bottlestore and got some refreshments .... seeing as the research program is running an expense account.

 

 

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2 hours ago, jamesc said:

This afternoon I initiated the 'jamesc mite research program.' Although it's still awaiting clearance from funding as apparently they are having a few issues, I  thought we'd get it under way sooner rather than later .....

 

Six pallets - 24 hives of newbees made up  in October 2018.  These nucs were put over into full depth boxes at Christmas , treated with two staples and moved up onto the Dew in mid February. Mostly they are double broods now with good levels of stores.

Of the 24, one was dead ..... drone layer. Of the remaining 23, 9 had mite issues, from DWV to visible mites to on the verge of death. 

I treated them all again with four staples.

The couple of near death weak hives  I treated with two staples and swapped position with a strong hive.

 

I then went down to the bottlestore and got some refreshments .... seeing as the research program is running an expense account.

 

 

I got a trial going also so we may as well follow it too

Here is a list of 43 Hives in the trial

The ones with a "c" are controls 

Three sites spaced  a km apart in a line

 

4th /5th April 

 

Site 1

 8/300,  8/300/ 13/300,  8/300, 15/300, 30/335, 24/310, 10/350, 4/340, 1/330, 8/310, 29/300, 32/310,47/300, 7/300, 8/300, 4/280, 20/300, 7/310,

12/270, 7/280, 68/300, 5/300,  6/300c, 10/329c, 6/280c, 7/290c, 15/330c, 17/310c, 

 

Site 2

10/300, 14/300, 9/310, 12/310c, 12/300c, 9/325c, 5/230c, 20/300c

 

Site 3

15/300, 85/260, 60/300,  32/270c,  40/300c, 36/362c, 

This is going to be interesting as there are some serious loads in there however all the hives looked really good

 

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Ok ...so I need more funding to take more time to do some sugar shakes . ..... APINZ funding ?

What's a control hive ....

8 minutes ago, Philbee said:

I got a trial going also so we may as well follow it too

Here is a list of 43 Hives in the trial

The ones with a "c" are controls 

Three sites spaced  a km apart in a line

 

4th /5th April 

 

Site 1

 8/300,  8/300/ 13/300,  8/300, 15/300, 30/335, 24/310, 10/350, 4/340, 1/330, 8/310, 29/300, 32/310,47/300, 7/300, 8/300, 4/280, 20/300, 7/310,

12/270, 7/280, 68/300, 5/300,  6/300c, 10/329c, 6/280c, 7/290c, 15/330c, 17/310c, 

 

Site 2

10/300, 14/300, 9/310, 12/310c, 12/300c, 9/325c, 5/230c, 20/300c

 

Site 3

15/300, 85/260, 60/300,  32/270c,  40/300c, 36/362c, 

This is going to be interesting as there are some serious loads in there however all the hives looked really good

 

not as bad as 160/300...

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6 minutes ago, jamesc said:

What's a control hive

It's the one that died last month

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49 minutes ago, jamesc said:

What's a control hive

A control Hive is one that remains untreated in the trial
The idea is that the untreated Control should continue to show an increase in mite numbers whereas the treated Hives should show a decrease in Mite numbers over the course of the trial.
In this case the controls will only remain as untreated controls for 4 weeks then they will be treated to prevent them collapsing as mite bombs.
 

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1 minute ago, Philbee said:

A control Hive is one that remains untreated in the trial
The idea is that the untreated Control should continue to show an increase in mite numbers whereas the treated Hives should show a decrease in Mite numbers over the course of the trial.
In this case the controls will only remain as untreated controls for 4 weeks then they will be treated to prevent them collapsing as mite bombs.
 

Ta.

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Then those controls themselves might become the subjects of a parallel trial where they are monitored to access their late Autumn recovery or continued decline. 

1 hour ago, jamesc said:

sugar shakes

Alcohol washes

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The thing I like about sugar shakes is you don't have to find the queen ..... they take less time as the queen is T total.... if you get my drift . Not as accurate for sure, but you get  a picture of what is happening.

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28 minutes ago, jamesc said:

The thing I like about sugar shakes is you don't have to find the queen ..... they take less time as the queen is T total.... if you get my drift . Not as accurate for sure, but you get  a picture of what is happening.

Yes I know what you mean
When I sort my bees for the wash they are shook into a tin hive lid so there are two checks for her, one on the frame and then another in the tin lid
They are easy to find in the lid.
The one problem Ive had with sugar was when the bees were full of nectar and it ends up wetting the sugar.

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