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That title may, or may not be important to you. Whatever your answer, controlling wasps in your hives is of importance to you, if you have wasps in the vicinity of your hives.

 

We have been doing field research for close on a year now and have made some fascinating discoveries regarding bee behaviour and how they defend their hives from intruders. So although we set out to solve the wasp problem, it is the learnings that we got during this process that is the real key.

 

If anyone is interested then I would be happy to show you our findings. We presented these a week ago to the Warkworth Bee Club and will be doing again tonight at the Helensville Bee Club.

 

If you have bees, are a hobbyist or commercial, belong to or manage a club, then I am sure that what we have to present will be massively enlightening and thought provoking. Many of the beekeepers we have presented to are already starting to rethink how they are managing their hives.

 

Regards Sean

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You have a ready audience on this forum, perhaps you could share your findings here...

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The simple way to protect hives from wasps is to keep the hives healthy.
Its as if wasps can smell weak, sick hives.

In the old days I rang DOC and demanded to know what they were going to do about their wasps that were killing my Bees.

Later I realized that my Bees were sick and easy prey.
This season I found one hive that had a rabbit hole sized wasp nest under it.

The wasps had faced their entrance to the opposite end of the Hive to the Bees entrance as if to avoid them

Today I produced the first 4 Layer Staple with an internal Hemp laminate

It will be trialed this Autumn

Today I produced the first 4 layer Staple with an internal Hemp Laminate

It will be trialed this autumn

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22 hours ago, CraBee said:

You have a ready audience on this forum, perhaps you could share your findings here...

Absolutely.  I am working on putting my presentation into a recording format, as soon as i have done that i will share it on this forum.  We again had a really fantastic reception at thd helensville club last night with both new and experienced beekeepers learning a lot! It is just by default that we started working on solving a wasp problem but what we uncovered was a much larger subject on bee behaviour and the pyschology around this. Has been fascinating.  Sean

 

PS. The first post which was similar to this one was removed because it was apparently too product focused 🤔, although any commercially available product is still a couple weeks away. 

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3 hours ago, SeanMonica said:

PS. The first post which was similar to this one was removed because it was apparently too product focused 🤔, although any commercially available product is still a couple weeks away. 

i thought you posted a link to a website to buy your new product which basically looked like a pipe into the entrance that the bees had to travel through, with the idea that this was more defensible than a narrow entrance that wasn't very long? was that someone else?

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9 hours ago, tommy dave said:

i thought you posted a link to a website to buy your new product which basically looked like a pipe into the entrance that the bees had to travel through, with the idea that this was more defensible than a narrow entrance that wasn't very long? was that someone else?

No.  It was not someone else.

The thread got taken down as it was a product promotion advert rather than a product discussion thread.

Lets try and keep this thread as a product discussion and not a sales (where do i buy) thread, otherwise it will also get taken down.

We do not tolerate threads that try and send readers to off this site.

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9 hours ago, tommy dave said:

i thought you posted a link to a website to buy your new product which basically looked like a pipe into the entrance that the bees had to travel through, with the idea that this was more defensible than a narrow entrance that wasn't very long? was that someone else?

That was us Tommy. If you had a chance to look at the website you may have seen a video showing what is actually happening inside of the hive when under wasp attack. I am unsure if I am now allowed to post the website here because I dont really know how or at what point I violated the rules to get the post removed. I am working on the presentation which is based on the behavioural science behind what is really going on inside the behave.  Our HiveGate has been developed 100% on these principle.

1 minute ago, Trevor Gillbanks said:

No.  It was not someone else.

The thread got taken down as it was a product promotion advert rather than a product discussion thread.

Lets try and keep this thread as a product discussion and not a sales (where do i buy) thread, otherwise it will also get taken down.

We do not tolerate threads that try and send readers to off this site.

We disagree on this one. We are a brand new start-up in terms of a company and that post had two clear objectives. Firstly to tell people that we are a new start-up and secondly to inform them of the work we are doing. Very difficult to explain all of that in a short post, hence the reason why we included the website. Yes, there is a page on the site that has a shopping page, even though you cannot actually order product on it because we don't have any to sell as of now. 

We have been doing research for close on a year now, 100% self-funded, and have got some really great results in terms of behavioural understand that led us to develop a product, that by the way, we had no intention initially of developing a commercial product. So yes, we are really keen to show fellow beekeepers what we have found and were hoping that this would be one of the platforms to do so. Sean

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@SeanMonica

given that you had no intention of developing a commercial product, and i guess no profit motive unless you are lying, you should check out the simple plans to build free wasp guards by putting a guard in front of the hive entrance.

Your product seems like an elaborate, and flawed version of this guard that is effectively free to make & effective

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6 hours ago, tommy dave said:

@SeanMonica

given that you had no intention of developing a commercial product, and i guess no profit motive unless you are lying, you should check out the simple plans to build free wasp guards by putting a guard in front of the hive entrance.

Your product seems like an elaborate, and flawed version of this guard that is effectively free to make & effective

Please give an example of the free plan this replicates.

 

Also please point out the flaws that you perceive in this design.

It is easy to make statements Dave without adding proof of your claims.

 

I am neither for nor against this product as I currently don't have a problem with wasps.

 

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On 13/03/2019 at 8:00 PM, Philbee said:

The simple way to protect hives from wasps is to keep the hives healthy.
Its as if wasps can smell weak, sick hives.

In the old days I rang DOC and demanded to know what they were going to do about their wasps that were killing my Bees.

Later I realized that my Bees were sick and easy prey.
This season I found one hive that had a rabbit hole sized wasp nest under it.

The wasps had faced their entrance to the opposite end of the Hive to the Bees entrance as if to avoid them

Today I produced the first 4 Layer Staple with an internal Hemp laminate

It will be trialed this Autumn

Today I produced the first 4 layer Staple with an internal Hemp Laminate

It will be trialed this autumn

Wasps undoubtedly do go for the weaker hives first but they can and do kill strong hives when there are enough of them for long enough. Wasps were killing hives long before varoa came along. Genetic selection is important for surviving wasps as is reducing entrances and taking of surplus boxes before the wasps start to attack. Last winter for the first time I can remember I did not lose a single hive to wasps and vespexs is the reason and the answer..

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2 hours ago, Trevor Gillbanks said:

Please give an example of the free plan this replicates.

 

Also please point out the flaws that you perceive in this design.

It is easy to make statements Dave without adding proof of your claims.

 

I am neither for nor against this product as I currently don't have a problem with wasps.

 

here is an example of a wasp screen:

https://kiwimana.co.nz/robbing-screen-wasp-and-robbing-honey-bees-afb/

the perceived flaw in the design that is no longer linked so i can't see any more is that the pipe seemed likely to easily block at the inside the hive end, which would mean a blocked hive entrance without being able to see that this is the case.

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25 minutes ago, john berry said:

Wasps undoubtedly do go for the weaker hives first but they can and do kill strong hives when there are enough of them for long enough. Wasps were killing hives long before varoa came along. Genetic selection is important for surviving wasps as is reducing entrances and taking of surplus boxes before the wasps start to attack. Last winter for the first time I can remember I did not lose a single hive to wasps and vespexs is the reason and the answer..

Most of my hives are in wasp central and my story about the wasps living under a hive isnt complete.

This particular hive was not a great one at spring so it only got a single honey super.
Not noticing at the time it had a top entrance.
The wasps robbed the entire top box and I was sure that the brood box below the excluder would be a sorry sight.

To my supersize the single brood was immaculate, packed with stores

The wasps didn't have a  show at getting into it however from memory the entrance had remained at 50mm wide throughout the flow.
Ive got access to vestpex  but would not bother with it now.

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On 14/03/2019 at 6:02 PM, SeanMonica said:

PS. The first post which was similar to this one was removed because it was apparently too product focused 🤔, although any commercially available product is still a couple weeks away

Yep if you are selling or promoting a product or service you will need to abide by the advertising rules and use the marketplace for listings/sales. This applies to free product and services too.

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1 hour ago, john berry said:

Wasps undoubtedly do go for the weaker hives first but they can and do kill strong hives when there are enough of them for long enough. Wasps were killing hives long before varoa came along. Genetic selection is important for surviving wasps as is reducing entrances and taking of surplus boxes before the wasps start to attack. Last winter for the first time I can remember I did not lose a single hive to wasps and vespexs is the reason and the answer..

 

I see the same thing John.  Anything weak be it a hive or a nuc - usually the victim of Autumn varroa - can get over-run by wasps.  Since Vespex (two full seasons) though I've not lost one colony to wasps and obliterated many wasp nests.  

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15 hours ago, tommy dave said:

@SeanMonica

given that you had no intention of developing a commercial product, and i guess no profit motive unless you are lying, you should check out the simple plans to build free wasp guards by putting a guard in front of the hive entrance.

Your product seems like an elaborate, and flawed version of this guard that is effectively free to make & effective

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Tommy. Is that how you normally talk to people or is this just your online format?

To state the facts in reply to your comments: 1. both my hives, plus that of my business partner were being severely attacked by wasps last year, despite trying many commercially available products plus following all the recommended common practices, we were losing the battle. 2. when we started out we were just trying to solve our problem and had no intention of developing a commercial product, however, after a couple of months we had made significant progress and decided that this could be a commercial option.  Difficult for me not to read between the lines here, but you seem to have a problem with this. Unfortunately, in our world, we do need to generate a profit so that we can put food on the table. 3. Am I lying? a good read for you: 7 habits of highly effective people. Could have a big positive impact on how people perceive you. 4. yes, we are well aware of the simple free wasp guard plans you mention. Pity they did not work for us, nor will they work for many others. 5. For you, "our product is an elaborate, and flawed version of this guard that is effectively free to make & effective", for others who are open to taking a little time in exploring what we have developed, it is something very different. With restrictions on this forum about me putting our website details on it is tricky for me to refer people to. 

So Tommy, we are just setting out, it is a brand new company, we will only have first product in about two weeks. Sorry that we do not live up to your high expectations, but would be nice to cut a small break in giving us just a little wriggle room in that it may take a little longer than 2 weeks to get everyone up to speed with what we are doing. I am abroad at the moment but will be back in a week. I would be more than happy to have a call with you to run through what we are up to. So far we have done 2  formal presentations, and as we learn for each we improve our messaging to make it clearer. This is not hocus pocus stuff, and we have not created an elaborate widget in an attempt to gain a marginal improvement. Todate we have gained 100% wasp control, and we are reasonably sure that this will extend beyond wasps as well. Regards Sean

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To make it simpler for you, and not having to defend yourself or product. Allow yourself time to get all your ducks in a row. Once you are ready for product release feel free to use the appropriate forum on this site to promote your product. For now this thread will be closed. Cheers,Dan.

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