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If it has not crystalised by now then I am sure it is not Southern Rata.Mine goies hard uncapped on the beehive.

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2 hours ago, Bighands said:

If it has not crystalised by now then I am sure it is not Southern Rata.Mine goies hard uncapped on the beehive.

It would be mostly northern rata .

Does pohutukawa set hard too ?

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11 hours ago, jamesc said:

to be greeted by a sixteen point stag also having a look at the bees. We stared  at each other for a few seconds ...... and acknowledged each others beauty , before doing a runner into the bush !!

Instead of running off into the bush you should have sat down and enjoyed the experience a while.. 

Many moons ago in my youth we would be chasing wild pigs around up there and were always amazed at the quality of the stag heads, I always put it down to Rakaia bloodlines, guess a bit of farm genetics here and there now too. 

If I remember right it was old Bateseys place then. 

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Kaihoka,I believe that Pohutukawa set hard as well, but I have had no experience with this tree maybe someone else can answer that question.

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14 hours ago, kaihoka said:

It would be mostly northern rata .

Does pohutukawa set hard too ?

 our pohutukawa/manuka bush honey sets semi solid, almost naturally creamed with a small crystal. 

 You can scoop it out of the jar with a knife but the spreads on your bread. 

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Pohutukawa granulates  within a few days of coming off the hives.

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11 hours ago, Stoney said:

Instead of running off into the bush you should have sat down and enjoyed the experience a while.. 

Many moons ago in my youth we would be chasing wild pigs around up there and were always amazed at the quality of the stag heads, I always put it down to Rakaia bloodlines, guess a bit of farm genetics here and there now too. 

If I remember right it was old Bateseys place then. 

Well yeah .... OK, so here's the scenario.... me and Spotty Dog taking the short cut to the bees up through the native when all of a sudden  there's a crash and a bang in the trees and the loudest roar in yer ear of a jealous boy who is not impressed at someone moving in on his  his harem .... OMG ....  Spotty Dog jumped on me, I friggin nearly dropped dead, and Big Boy blazed a trail west with his big head.  

But yes, beautifull traditional head  ..... Eldest boy wants to go hunting .... I am happy to leave him be  for another more relaxed chat in a day or so through the bino's.

And besides , I'd prefer to put tender young fawn on the BBQ rater than tough and stinky dad.

 

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5 hours ago, nikki watts said:

 our pohutukawa/manuka bush honey sets semi solid, almost naturally creamed with a small crystal. 

 You can scoop it out of the jar with a knife but the spreads on your bread. 

Is that what you gave me .

It had a very nice creamy texture .

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So .... Forgive me as this is totally off topic ...... but I was having a chat with The Doc this evening ....and  it got me thinking .....thinking about the run in I had last week with an old mate at the field days who has some health issues, and we got talking about another mate who also has some health issues, but are all mad keen hunters, and this being the season of the ROAR when the hills are alive with the sound of music ,  I got to thinking .... Unlike Old golfers who seem to loose their balls, Old hunters never loose their passion. So, this year I think we might instigate the "verandah Hunt ".

Now the Verandah Hunt is by invitation only. To qualify you need to be either on Death's door, incapacitated, unabable to walk, or be the owner of  impressive a verandah . 

 

I have an impressive verandah.   It sits out in the back blocks amongst the tussock, and at  this time of year resounds to sound of The Stags . I'm picking we'll do more counselling with The Doctor by the Old Fatso   than hunting,  but it's the experience that counts.

 

There's a life story there somewhere .... eh. 

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2 hours ago, kaihoka said:

Is that what you gave me .

It had a very nice creamy texture .

Yes it was. 

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On 1/04/2019 at 8:03 PM, Bushy said:

 

Probably from us. I better pay some money so you can private message me.

As an aside, I always thought Rata crystallised very quickly, but never extracted any. 

This is my pollen report from last season and a photo of the honey now .

Instructions: General Pollen Report
Colour: N/A
Moisture: 15%
Total Pollen Count:            182,500/10 grams honey
 
Pollen Type    %        Total       
Rata or Pohutakawa (similar)            46%       
Brassica            24%      
Mahoe            14%       
Assorted unknown            16%       

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It has not crystalised at all .

The bubbles are cause I just poured it from a big jar .

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On 1/04/2019 at 5:22 PM, Maru Hoani said:

Better than my $5. 50 I'm getting for 40 odd drums

 

How are you going with manuka sale this year Maru - multi and mono?

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On 4/04/2019 at 11:23 AM, CraBee said:

 

How are you going with manuka sale this year Maru - multi and mono?

$23 less per kg for my mono manuka  this year, I'm looking at 100k turnover down from last season, roughly anyway but my house is almost finished and I'm currently dept free so I'm happy as could  🐝 

On 3/04/2019 at 12:47 PM, kaihoka said:

This is my pollen report from last season and a photo of the honey now .

Instructions: General Pollen Report
Colour: N/A
Moisture: 15%
Total Pollen Count:            182,500/10 grams honey
 
Pollen Type    %        Total       
Rata or Pohutakawa (similar)            46%       
Brassica            24%      
Mahoe            14%       
Assorted unknown            16%       

IMG_20190403_124029.thumb.jpg.16830da759d4519d8bfb79982ebd7594.jpg

It has not crystalised at all .

The bubbles are cause I just poured it from a big jar .

Looks amazing

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@Maru Hoani I could send you a jar of the honey  to try if you like .

It is probably very different than your honey .

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2 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

@Maru Hoani I could send you a jar of the honey  to try if you like .

It is probably very different than your honey .

That would be great, I can swap you a jar of mine 

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4 minutes ago, Maru Hoani said:

That would be great, I can swap you a jar of mine 

I can not message you because you are not paid up 

But my mobile is 0274164736 

 

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6 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

I can not message you because you are not paid up 

But my mobile is 0274164736 

 

I'll message you tomorrow, I'm currently out of coverage.

Cheers

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1 hour ago, Maru Hoani said:

$23 less per kg for my mono manuka  this year, 

 

Thing i don't get with this is why?

 

I was expecting that with tougher standards and less manuka on the market, prices would go up. Why are they going down?

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9 minutes ago, Alastair said:

 

Thing i don't get with this is why?

 

I was expecting that with tougher standards and less manuka on the market, prices would go up. Why are they going down?

Ask @Adam Boot
One senerio could be that there might be resistance to selling bulk and the demand for packaged has waned since the bulk buyers of old cant make a buck from jars.
just an idea I plucked out of fresh air

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25 minutes ago, Alastair said:

 

Thing i don't get with this is why?

 

I was expecting that with tougher standards and less manuka on the market, prices would go up. Why are they going down?

 

Alastair try this link:

 

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On 5/04/2019 at 2:38 AM, Philbee said:

Ask @Adam Boot
One senerio could be that there might be resistance to selling bulk and the demand for packaged has waned since the bulk buyers of old cant make a buck from jars.
just an idea I plucked out of fresh air

My apologies for the delayed response. I have just had a very busy and rewarding trip, bouncing around the world promoting wonderful New Zealand honey. 

I can only give my opinion and view on this topic. There is no single answer that explains the current market position of Manuka honey and the demand both domestically and internationally. There is no doubt that change is occurring and that some markets are maturing and new markets are emerging and others are just starting to really blossom. 

 

Whether you are busy and successful or not is dependent upon your brand or brands and the markets you choose to target. 

 

I see growing awareness, acceptance, appreciation, reputation and want for Manuka Honey in more and more large international markets. I also see buyer confusion and concern over standards and quality. I still see confusion with labelling and grading systems.

 

Anecdotal, word of mouth, positive feed back for Manuka Honey is spreading faster than I have seen before. Yet, as an industry we are not ready to capitalise on the opportunity. We are not unified in our direction and approach. As an industry we are very immature and a short term, fast cash get rich quick mentality still permeates many quarters. 

 

We are very poor at self policing. In fact there are plenty in the industry that treat standards and labelling laws as a burden and costly interference. There will never be a $billion Manuka industry for NZ while these people companies exist. As fast as markets emerge and grow they will be the first to undermine and cause long term damage. 

 

I have just travelled extensively and the junk I have seen offered and portrayed as Manuka honey is in my opinion a disgrace and embarrassment. 

Firstly lets put to bed the Australian issue. It does not look smell or taste like real Manuka. It is like treacle or molasses. It is just honey with MGO. On its own this would be no threat to a united industry with fortitude, foresight and 20+ years of science. As it is, not only can we not agree and join together and garner Government support for the defence and the protection of the name Manuka. We actually have New Zealand producers trading in and offering Australian Manuka as an alternative at a lower price. What does this say for our position? What does it do for our argument?

 

Next we have companies that flaunt the essence of the law. Those companies that ship bulk honey off shore to knowingly pack under far looser, less stringent labelling requirements. The MPI Manuka Honey definition is there for a reason. Like it or not it is there to formalise compliance and strengthen the New Zealand Manuka honey brand and reputation for quality. Those that look for legal grey areas to avoid or get around the standard, simply reduce respect, quality and value of the industry. 

Next we have the often deliberate confusion and false, detrimental marketing surrounding the use of variable grading systems. UMF and MGO still cause confusion. While UMF appears to be strengthening standard requirements, MGO on its own seems to be often used to confuse. There are many brands that promote MGO 30, 50 and 70 as Manuka honey with the words 'blend' or 'multi floral' very small, unclear or obscurely positioned. The UK is a prime example of a large market that has been saturated with lesser quality product, poor product education and now has a unnaturally low perception of the real value.  

 

Then we have China. The golden goose. The number of brands available are countless. Most I have never heard of. Most will not be there next year or the year after but will probably be replaced by the next brand who thinks the market is easy only to realise that the only marketing tool they posses is price. Even the biggest brands seem to be forever chasing volume at the expense of value and credibility. Buy 1 get one free, 50% discount, buy 2 get one free etc etc is common place. I did not see the same discounting for top Champaign, caviar, perfume and branded clothing etc

 

So back to New Zealand and Manuka Inc. One year does not define a market and direction. There are some major corrections taking place. Some very large producers and brands are suffering or reversing and have reduced or stopped buying. Previous errors and direction are coming home to roost. The converse is that other companies and brands are emerging and defining a new standard and direction and value proposition. Genuinely exciting New product development will move Manuka honey to a new level and into new markets. I see growth opportunity every where I look and many untapped markets. 

 

From a personal perspective we see multiple new business enquiries every single day. The majority are Manuka related. Many have agressive price expectations. Some tick all the boxes and are worth developing. Time scales are often quite long for new business development but I see a very strong sales pipeline for the next three years. I am not looking beyond that at this point. 

 

Adam 

 

 

 

 

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A very good post Adam and is what I have been hearing as well.

It frustrates me that beekeepers don't see the connection we have with the market place, and don't see/act like that all their income for them to do all the other stuff they want to do with their bee hives comes from the market place. this us(beekeepers) and them(packers honey buyers) attitude has to stop if we are to grow and keep our place in the markets at good prices and volume.

What did you see in regards to non manuka honeys?

 

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Good one Adam
One day soon we may also see some sort of claim that our Honey is produced by "Non Medicated Bees"

 

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3 hours ago, Philbee said:

Good one Adam
One day soon

 

 

...One day soon we might be able to sell our honey :) 

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