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Corban. I would suggest you do not dignify these sad and divisive people with a reply. This is not the place for them to push their political views.

 

Wishing you the best in your beekeeping journey, and hoping you can get past these people and enjoy your membership here.

 

And Flash, you dissapoint me. In the past I have paid a lot of attention to your posts.

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5 minutes ago, M4tt said:

This thread may take the record for being off topic ?.

 

Whats not clear here, Corban , is what you are going to do with the answers to your questions . 

Alarm bells ring when someone new pops up asking industry sensitive questions .

Your comment 7, for example , insinuates the possibility that synthetics are routinely left in hives all year round 

 

So Id suggest that if you are indeed interested in keeping bees , start at the beginning and post sensible questions in the beginners area . 

That way you won’t leave yourself open to doubts as to your motives 

 

Cheers 

Matt ?

Hi Matt,

 

To clarify, i'm a second year beek. I have 4 hives here in rural Auckland and no intention of going commercial. More context, we (wife and ) have a single income and three kids, so there is no backing of a multinational agenda here trying to fish out industry secrets. Neither is there a fleet of helecopters poised to go :7_sweat_smile: I also have a business background here so the types of questions here is just part of how I genrally think. Just a genuine questoiner here seeking genuine answers.

 

I have found keepers generally to be the nicest natured people and think the wider community is good company. I appreciate the good will people provide, when it is given so.

 

Cheers, Corban

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37 minutes ago, Alastair said:

 

Heck, I should have been a moderator LOL ?

 

 

 

Im sure there’s still time? @Alastair@Grant 

 

 

Welcome to the forum @Corban Borrie, the answers you seek are not easily defined or clear cut, I suppose it depends on what honey you’re looking for, the sites location and as @M4ttsuggest a lot of the answers are commercially sensitive. At the moment we’re all in the watching the weather, hoping it will just go away!

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Yes. I cannot decide if the weather sucks, or if it's great. The plus is that the ground here is soaking and this may delay drought for quite a while. The negative is I was planning to harvest the first boxes this week but need long dry days for that.

 

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Lol, @Alastairthe boys got the last of the poly hives out last night. Himself said they were a bit grunty! They’ll need attention ASAP and the forecast is blah! 

 

I’ve been making soap & baby watching (Riley is getting very mobile & chatty with occasional outbursts of ear splitting squealing) for 5 days now. Longest time off since August. I’m over it! Muggy, muddy and soggy, tracks out for days!

 

We’ve just caught up, now we’re behind again!

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@Corban Borrie i personally think the commercial bee keeping industry is in shock right now and a bit defensive.

if you were getting $12 kg for honey last season and are now struggling to get $4 or 5 its a bit rough.

especially if you are new and have taken on lots of debt.

i can think of people locally who put their money into bee keeping and must now be regretting their decision and wondering why they didn't just buy shares in a bank.

still they could have brought Bitcoin.

i think the beeks who have been doing this for 20 yrs and their kids who are in the firm will survive  and beeks with a supplementary income.

a local dairy farmer does all his costings at a $4 pay out , has no debt and ticks over on a smallish herb. he always does ok.

the same principle applies to bee keeping.

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1 hour ago, Corban Borrie said:

Hi Matt,

 

To clarify, i'm a second year beek. I have 4 hives here in rural Auckland and no intention of going commercial. More context, we (wife and ) have a single income and three kids, so there is no backing of a multinational agenda here trying to fish out industry secrets. Neither is there a fleet of helecopters poised to go :7_sweat_smile: I also have a business background here so the types of questions here is just part of how I genrally think. Just a genuine questoiner here seeking genuine answers.

 

I have found keepers generally to be the nicest natured people and think the wider community is good company. I appreciate the good will people provide, when it is given so.

 

Cheers, Corban

Welcome to the forum ?.

 

You are by no means the first to have had a rocky start or have been misunderstood.  

If you choose to continue to participate you should find it a rewarding journey.?

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@Alistair Any questions addresses collectively or individually is on topic. 

In addressing his points individually or collectively one needs to consider where the question originates from and what background study the OP has done.

In the case of point 7, its such a ridiculous statement/ question that it's motives need to be questioned.
BTW, I dont see myself as having a vested interest in OA.
My interest is a pastime and all a bit of a laugh

 

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1 hour ago, Corban Borrie said:

Just a genuine questoiner here seeking genuine answers.

Why not just read the site
As a graduate you will know all about reading as a means of seeking answers

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15 minutes ago, Philbee said:

@Alistair Any questions addresses collectively or individually is on topic. 

In addressing his points individually or collectively one needs to consider where the question originates from and what background study the OP has done.

In the case of point 7, its such a ridiculous statement/ question that it's motives need to be questioned.
BTW, I dont see myself as having a vested interest in OA.
My interest is a pastime and all a bit of a laugh

 

I thought your pastime was an altruistic contribution to the common good .

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3 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

I thought your pastime was an altruistic contribution to the common good .

Thats the umbrella I live under.

Born to Serve

Nowhere is it decreed that one cant have some fun along the way

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54 minutes ago, Philbee said:

Thats the umbrella I live under.

Born to Serve

Nowhere is it decreed that one cant have some fun along the way

 

 

1 hour ago, Philbee said:

BTW, I dont see myself as having a vested interest in OA.
My interest is a pastime and all a bit of a laugh

 

Seeing as this is the case, I'll send you my my bank details to put on your invoices ! ?

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48 minutes ago, yesbut said:

 

 

Seeing as this is the case, I'll send you my my bank details to put on your invoices ! ?

Lol  Pink cat no problem, Can I pay the suppliers from your account also

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@Corban Borrie welcome to the forum ? I love a good debate ??

 

I thought your open questions were great.  I am interested to see what the pros have to say. 

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2 hours ago, Philbee said:

Why not just read the site

 

Why not let him ask a question. You know, like, everyone else who asks questions?

 

It is, after all, a chat site. I have always considered "why you asking go google it" type responses rather rude.

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37 minutes ago, Alastair said:

 

Why not let him ask a question. You know, like, everyone else who asks questions?

 

It is, after all, a chat site. I have always considered "why you asking go google it" type responses rather rude.

 

Yup it would be a pretty boring site if people just googled for answers to questions 

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1 hour ago, Alastair said:

 

Why not let him ask a question. You know, like, everyone else who asks questions?

 

It is, after all, a chat site. I have always considered "why you asking go google it" type responses rather rude.

Yes of course you have a point 

However, in the case of OA, on the home page of this site exists a link to possibly the worlds most in depth trial, study, review of the topic.
Its possibly the largest thread on the site and could be considered one of the most important current Industry discussions.

Try and reconcile this with the content of Question / Statement # 7 

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Thanks for the info Philbee, I'm learning cos I didn't know that link was there.

 

Lucky I didn't show my ignorance and ask 

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No I don't, you will hardly find me in that thread, if I'm even in it.

 

It is a 90 page document. Rather than troll through it, with my short attention span I'd be more likely to ask a question if there was something buried in there somewhere that I wanted to know.

 

Some kind soul may take the time to answer it. ?

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1 minute ago, Alastair said:

I'd be more likely to ask a question if there was something buried in there somewhere that I wanted to know.

It could be quite useful if someone was to take the time to summarise that thread...ie cut out the surplus  to present the development/timeline...it's not

going to be me so don't bother suggesting it....

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8 hours ago, flash4cash said:

I was just interested with the benifit of hindsight has your viewed changed? Bill English voted against it and so did Simon Bridges, both have since repealed their organial opposition.   It not very often that you come across someone that feels so strongly about other peoples choices that they would make a submission to limit their freedom and human rights. 

WOW what a reply to some genuine questions, if you feel that strongly you would have to question about the rights of being a beekeeper and keeping bees.

Women do all the work and the men only eats, roots and leaves, a bit 1950s, mind you though they are only rooting Queens so maybe they are progressive after all.

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On 26/11/2018 at 3:01 PM, Corban Borrie said:

Hi commercial people,

 

It is not always well received when one is asked to show their cards. Then again hopefully this question is not a ‘trade secret’ as such but rather a quench of my curiosity for how you operate on larger scales.

 

I saw some of these helicopters dropping in pallets of either 1 x 4, 2 x 4 (8) or 3 x 4 (12) hives at a time, being dropped on certain Manuka sites around various stomping grounds. My observations were the depths of these were generally 2 broods and 2 supers. For transport purposes, all hive sizes were uniform in height.

 

Please can people correct me in these assumptions?

1)      2 x supers provide ample space for honey production in any chosen site.

2)      2 x broods are the preferred strength for the golden rod period.

3)      These colonies are configured so that no keeper will need to visit a site until after the honey flow has mostly completed.

4)      The honey flow is roughly a 6 week window, so any drops (either by helicopter or by truck) is generally completed before 1st December (ok starts earlier up north) and is recovered by the end of January or later.

5)      In terms of hive management, there is a risk/return of not being concerned with the swarming given the new season queen is likely to be introduced for each colony. All managed in spring (pre flow).

6)      Supers are generally recovered before the colonies (taken and replaced) with the idea colonies will be recovered later before the dearth in Autumn.

7)      Oxalic Acid treatments are not viable on a commercial scale. Therefore Synthetics are generally used for hive management year around.

 

Signed, curious newbie.

Hmmm ..... not sure why this has created such a stir .?

Many commercials run single brood box hives because they are quicker to work. When staff are employed they can get lazy and the bottom box is never gone into.

We went to singles with  the advent of varroa as it halved our bill for the synthetic treatments.

So these days we run everything as a double over the winter as that gives the bees lotsa space to store food - honey and pollen. By the time we get to this time of year the queen has been pushed down into  the singlebrood box. Any spare brood is left above the queen excluder to hatch out, after which the bees will fill the combs with honey. The advantage of singles is that when running many hives with not many labour units, disease checking is very fast ..... you don't have to go into the bottom box.

We generally put three honey boxes on for the season. Sometimes four if things are looking exceptional.

When flying in  we ran everything as a single brood box with three honey boxes. Four hives to a pallet.  Generally three boxes was enough on the Manuka. Anymore and they were too heavy four the Hughes 500 to lift out and we'd have to fly in, pull honey boxes off full of bees ,no disease check, number boxes to tie in with brood boxes , stack them on another pallet, strap and fly. then restack them on their original hive when on the load out. Too much honey was time consuming and expensive !

Flying in is only economical on top quality manuka. On the 5 plus stuff at $18/kg I would suggest it is marginal ..... unless you own the machine !

 

I see the O/A staples  as the way of the future.  They are cheap, effective and leave little or no residue in the honey and wax. The tape is biodegradable and you don't have the issue of "what do we do with 10,000 plastic strips at the end of the season."

And it should give us an edge in a competitive world market to be able to say with hand on heart  "Chemical Free".

 

Signed,

 

JC

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Alastair said:

No I don't, you will hardly find me in that thread, if I'm even in it.

 

It is a 90 page document. Rather than troll through it, with my short attention span I'd be more likely to ask a question if there was something buried in there somewhere that I wanted to know.

 

Some kind soul may take the time to answer it. ?

Ive read every post .

I am a kind soul , but not necessarily a reliable one .

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