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Who is going to step in and help the likely causalities of an imminent slowdown?

When there is a drought in the farming sector assistance is provided through a number of channels?

What Id like to see is a levy funded treatment fund available for those in dire need and we would  need someone to administer this sort of program

If this sounds far fetched is definitely is not.

Gone are the days where a Hive's intrinsic value is justification for spending whatever is necessary to protect it from Varroa

We are now in a situation where there just isnt the cash flow available to buy treatments.

If we dont have some sort of governing body and if we dont treat our Hives over the next few years we are history.
With regard treatments the Staple is ideal in times like this because the receiving Beekeeper is able to input their labor to the product.
Staples can be provided for less than 50 cents and in some cases as little as 30 cents.
The OA/ GL is available for about 10 cents per Staple and the Cookers are not expensive and able to be group shared.

 

Disclosure 

I produce Paper Tape Staples.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Philbee said:

the Cookers are not expensive

Wait a minute, we now have "cookers" ?

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4 hours ago, frazzledfozzle said:

So, defeating the Apiculture NZ proposal is just the start. NZ Beekeeping would work across the industry to really identify problems and genuinely agree on:
a) the issues facing the industry
b) the priority of these issues (what’s most important and urgent), and
c) the best way to really tackle the priority problems to benefit all beekeepers.
Whatever we do needs to have beekeepers and good beekeeping at its heart.
 Get involved – Vote! And join an organisation, and say what you think
 Vote NO to the Apiculture NZ Commodity Levy idea
 Help beekeeper - led organisations like NZ Beekeeping work out how to
really tackle the problems facing us, our bees and our businesses.
JANE LORIMER President
 NEW ZEALAND BEEKEEPING INCORPORATED | Email info@nzbeekeeping.co.nz | January 2019

I just hope all the family operators get out and have their say. The death knell of the smaller businesses is clearly written with the interests of the large operators being held to the fore through APINZ

Don't let what happened to the NZ fishing industry happen to ours!

The only immediate benefit I can foresee for the first 2-3 years is APINZ and it's cohorts personally benefiting from our very hard earned money.

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Some of us don't want to get steamrolled by Beekeeping Inc.  Some people have got v short memories.  The Canty branch of the NBA transferred over to Beekeeping Inc.  In the end the Canty NBA was run by a bunch of narrow minded autocrats, holding a lot of money accumulated by beekeeper members and this should have been used for industry good & continuing education in Canterbury & Westland.  God help you if you didn't agree with the Canty NBA.  They ran the NBA to the ground.  In Canterbury & Westland, NBA members had absolutely no say in how the branch was run.  It was oppressive, like a communist regime, and heaven help you if you had a different point of view.  It was typical to only get 24 hours notice for a minuted meeting, and the same applied to AGM notices.  Hence, because they only ever got a quorum to AGMs, they were able to keep it at a v small controlling tight knit group.  There was absolutely no respect for how other people thought.  Hence the split at the time into BIG; prior to ApiNZ.  In Canterbury we now have a Beekeeping Inc group (previously the Canty NBA branch), with main players who are well funded (from previous Canty NBA money), full time, professional protestors.  No matter what happens in life, or whether or not the Levy goes through, these people will never be happy, that is nature. 

 

I agree, that everyone who is entitled to vote, should do so 

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Hello Sailabee

There is nothing wrong with my memory and I am proud to be a Cantabarian, and previously was happy to pay a levy.

 

I have never head of the ChCh NBA and was unaware that Beekeeping Inc now have a branch in ChCh.  I don't ever recall honey being imported into NZ because of Federated Farmers. 

If the "small Canterbury NBA group" were so wonderful, why were they always "small"?

 

What I find bizarre is that members of Beekeeping Inc don't have the guts to make forum posts themselves, and either have to do so via a forum member or under an alias.  I am unsure from Frazzled Fozzle's post on 23/1/19 as to whether this is actually Jane Lorimer.

 

I hope that you and your Beekeeping Inc friends are not up to the wee hours tonight, drafting another diatribe epistle to answer this brief post.

 

I encourage everyone that is entitled to vote, to consider the facts, making their own decision.

 

 

 

 

 


 

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37 minutes ago, Margaret Anne said:

  I am unsure from Frazzled Fozzle's post on 23/1/19 as to whether this is actually Jane Lorimer.

I can assure you that they are not the same person ?

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53 minutes ago, M4tt said:

I can assure you that they are not the same person ?

Correct

 

I have mentioned it to senior Beekeepers Inc  (age and or responsibilities in the organisation) that their internet savvy is letting them down.

Even the recent email sent out signed as being written by Jane had me slightly bemused by its lack of screen appeal.

Small things but in order to be credible and garner more support they need to look the part.

Apinz on that point “look more credible”.

I know these posts are read by Beekeeping Inc members who don’t log in to the forum.

Of note too is Russel Berry saying there are too many beekeepers in NZ affecting their business profitability (quite likely true), yet they want beekeeper support???? You can’t bite the hand that feeds you.

At the moment I am undecided, there is too much BS being flung around at present and I haven’t developed my BS filter well enough to know who’s right and who’s taking the mick.

 

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44 minutes ago, dansar said:

Correct

 

I have mentioned it to senior Beekeepers Inc  (age and or responsibilities in the organisation) that their internet savvy is letting them down.

Even the recent email sent out signed as being written by Jane had me slightly bemused by its lack of screen appeal.

Small things but in order to be credible and garner more support they need to look the part.

Apinz on that point “look more credible”.

I know these posts are read by Beekeeping Inc members who don’t log in to the forum.

Of note too is Russel Berry saying there are too many beekeepers in NZ affecting their business profitability (quite likely true), yet they want beekeeper support???? You can’t bite the hand that feeds you.

At the moment I am undecided, there is too much BS being flung around at present and I haven’t developed my BS filter well enough to know who’s right and who’s taking the mick.

 

at the moment i'm really close to the hive threshold and well over the kilos extracted threshold, but haven't ever sold any honey. Debating contacting them about getting a vote. But then i'd have to decide how to vote, think i'll save myself the hassle.

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1 hour ago, dansar said:

Correct

 

I have mentioned it to senior Beekeepers Inc  (age and or responsibilities in the organisation) that their internet savvy is letting them down.

Even the recent email sent out signed as being written by Jane had me slightly bemused by its lack of screen appeal.

Small things but in order to be credible and garner more support they need to look the part.

Apinz on that point “look more credible”.

I know these posts are read by Beekeeping Inc members who don’t log in to the forum.

Of note too is Russel Berry saying there are too many beekeepers in NZ affecting their business profitability (quite likely true), yet they want beekeeper support???? You can’t bite the hand that feeds you.

At the moment I am undecided, there is too much BS being flung around at present and I haven’t developed my BS filter well enough to know who’s right and who’s taking the mick.

 

All the above re Beekeeping Inc is precisely why this insular and negative group is yesterday's management

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3 minutes ago, Margaret Anne said:

All the above re Beekeeping Inc is precisely why this insular and negative group is yesterday's management

There are a group of competent younger ones (less than 50yo?)in the team. The old guard needs to pass the torch on to them.

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Some of the old guard may not be too keen to pass on the torch but by far the biggest problem I have encountered in beekeeping politics is the younger ones not been interested in picking it up. I belong to and have friends in both organisations and I see encouraging signs that both are attempting to communicate more with their members. I'm not entirely in favour of the new levy proposal but I am also not entirely against it and have not yet decided how I will vote.

There is no doubt in my mind that we need some sort of research levy. Most of you would not believe just how often and how deeply some beekeepers put their hands into their own pockets every time there is a problem . That was not such a problem when we all respected each other and each other's hives but it gets tiring funding research for the benefit of all when some of those people just don't deserve it.

I may be wrong but I suspect a lot higher percentage of those with their hands in their own pockets belong to New Zealand beekeeping Inc and those that don't deserve it in apiculture New Zealand but of course there will be some of each in both and a lot more that belong to neither.

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Just seen a clip on ONE NEWS on beekeeping, mainly based around an introduction of a comodity levy from APINZ.

Karin Kos fronted to say that the levy would be benificial in recomending better beekeeping practices.

 

So what are better Beekeeping Practices and how would paying a levy help a commercial beeker with these practices

 

I already  get my best beekeeping practices from the knowledgable folk on this website. for free

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20 minutes ago, Bee Good said:

 

Just seen a clip on ONE NEWS on beekeeping, mainly based around an introduction of a comodity levy from APINZ.

Karin Kos fronted to say that the levy would be benificial in recomending better beekeeping practices.

 

So what are better Beekeeping Practices

 

I didn’t see the article but ‘best practice ‘ refers to insuring that things are being done properly and has the intended flow on effect of keeping markets open or consumers happy .

Best practice is a large umbrella encompassing animal welfare ,  also food safety and staff amongst other things I imagine .

Its possibly a feel good name for compliance . 

Then again, I may have misinterpreted 

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5 minutes ago, M4tt said:

I didn’t see the article but ‘best practice ‘ refers to insuring that things are being done properly and has the intended flow on effect of keeping markets open or consumers happy .

Best practice is a large umbrella encompassing animal welfare ,  also food safety and staff amongst other things I imagine .

Its possibly a feel good name for compliance . 

Then again, I may have misinterpreted 

I didn't see it either but the reference to better Beekeeping practices could  be about AFB

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4 minutes ago, M4tt said:

I didn’t see the article but ‘best practice ‘ refers to insuring that things are being done properly and has the intended flow on effect of keeping markets open or consumers happy .

Best practice is a large umbrella encompassing animal welfare ,  also food safety and staff amongst other things I imagine .

Its possibly a feel good name for compliance . 

Then again, I may have misinterpreted 

Yeh  it was kind of a loaded question anyway,

Best practice ,what all well meaning bekeepers are already doing, not sure i should have to pay someone to tell me how to do what im already doing.

 

I may have misinterpreted myself.

 

Good point about the compliance, did,nt think about that angle,  sort of things that come up in boardroom meetings when there throwing ideas around.

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On 27/01/2019 at 8:48 PM, john berry said:

those that don't deserve it in apiculture New Zealand

Well John thats a Gem

I can tell you that at least one person who has done as much for beekeeping as any person in this country will soon be a member of ApiNZ.

Whatsmore this person was Talking with another Beekeeper recently who told them that on approaching a senior BKNZ person and asking for guidance, was so aggressively dealt with that they had to raise their hands in defense of the forthcoming barrage.

 

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it's all been and is  a manuka issue.  Over crowding, boundary riders, theft, blending, adding DHA/MGO, hive health,  MPI standards, MPI audits, is directly related to the rise of manuka. 

 

'if' manuka never took off, I would still be looked at as the odd bloke in a martian suit driving a ute. 

 

So manuka dudes pay your fair dues- oh hang on it's too complicated....and lucky for them they pay a lot less proportionally compared to bottom feeders trying to sell a drum or two.   

Manuka makers have very little to be worried about at 10cents on $20 bucks (and the rest) 

 

I don't much like the board make up.  I like Dennis though, though he's also a manuka chaser. And a few others in APInz represent large manuka players.  They will influence to protect.

I can't really complain though,

I harvest a box of good old plain stuff-

an no one is chasing a levy for my pollination service... 

 

 

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I spoke to an interesting philanthropist a month back and  they were very concerned about mono culture Manuka plantations.

They were using the term "Mono culture" in the context of potential Manuka strain diversity or lack of 

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36 minutes ago, john berry said:

Slightly out of context but nevertheless that's the way I see it. As for BKNZ People being unapproachable, that's not what I've found but then I know most of them. Having helped several people in the past and then had them dump hives on top of me I'm not so free and easy with the information these days either.I still help a lot of beekeepers but I am a lot more selective because I have been hurt financially and had my trust in mankind severely strained. 

I'm now hearing a lot of newer beekeepers who in all honesty pushed pretty close to existing beekeepers complaining about new beekeepers doing exactly the same thing to them.

It would be a mistake to think that all beekeepers used to get on but in general there was a lot of idea sharing and cooperation and if somebody got sick or injured you just went and helped  with no thought of any remuneration.

If I went with modern ethics, every time someone rang me I would charge $200 an hour to tell them there was lots of room for tens of thousands more hives but I'm too old-fashioned for that and if they don't want to hear that there are already too many hives and nowhere to put new hives without hurting an existing beekeeper then they shouldn't of rung up looking for free but honest advice.

Fair enough John

One point I will make with regard  Hive numbers, yes there are too many Hives, however a move to arbitrarily install a 3km rule without research that includes new Varroa control techniques would be a huge mistake in my opinion.
Research into the relationship between Varroa, Hive densities and Hive production are critical to any legislation  on Hive densities.
I hope this opinion finds its way to the relevant parties.

New Technology challenges existing beliefs 

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8 hours ago, Philbee said:

Fair enough John

One point I will make with regard  Hive numbers, yes there are too many Hives, however a move to arbitrarily install a 3km rule without research that includes new Varroa control techniques would be a huge mistake in my opinion.
Research into the relationship between Varroa, Hive densities and Hive production are critical to any legislation  on Hive densities.
I hope this opinion finds its way to the relevant parties.

New Technology challenges existing beliefs 

the 3km won't work.  Too many within that range now, and even before varroa areas had many sites within. 

Besides, the more beehives the more staples.. 

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1 hour ago, Gino de Graaf said:

the 3km won't work.  Too many within that range now, and even before varroa areas had many sites within. 

Besides, the more beehives the more staples.. 

Lol

More Staples less sleep

 

 

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On 23 January 2019 at 12:05 PM, Ali said:

I just hope all the family operators get out and have their say. The death knell of the smaller businesses is clearly written with the interests of the large operators being held to the fore through APINZ

Don't let what happened to the NZ fishing industry happen to ours!

The only immediate benefit I can foresee for the first 2-3 years is APINZ and it's cohorts personally benefiting from our very hard earned money.

Ali get your head out of your ....are.... conspiracy playbook. I would contend that all those on the board of APINZ, and the NBA and NZBeekeeping have never personally benefitted from their work on any of those boards. In fact, most of them myself included it has cost us personally and financially and I would have a less stressful live if I went sailing instead of to all these meetings or having to pay others to do whats needed while I'm away. I do it because I love this industry and want others to have the enjoyment and freedom that i have had, but for you to even imply that we are personally benefiting well you can just go and take a flying leap.

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