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Im going to go and listen to these guys.
Id recommend reading their constitution for a start.

In fact its a good idea to go over their site with a fine tooth comb.

 

apinz.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Apiculture-NZ-Constitution.pdf

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41 minutes ago, Mike Fox said:

I'm not an APINZ member. When there's one unified entity without the big boys skiting about how great thow art I might revisit it. Right now theres at least 3 outfits. Its a joke really  

See,just as Damien O'connor said "Wild West"

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1 hour ago, Don Mac said:

Perhaps you should include a column for those who are a member of both organisations.

Russell Berry is a life member of Api NZ and was very active at the AGM and levy meeting.

I did consider that but I thought I’d keep it simple so the result is clear

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6 hours ago, Daley said:

It seems we are having some difficulties establishing the support behind APINZ, so here is a straightforward poll to give us a bit of an idea within the NZ Beekeepers forum.

Hi I have just joined Apiculture NZ but with only 10% of vote being given to hobbiests such as myself I know how I vote will matter very little. Please adjust your poll accordingly to give a true reflection of the numbers. As someone took it upon themselves to alter my listing on this site to hobbiest then I will go with that.... for now. A new SWOT analysis in the offing. The right to have a vote is a legacy of the Greeks. This has all happened before of course in one form or another and this "has all the makings of a Greek tragedy". Looking forward to being one of the 6000 again. I doubt I will join other groups for the time being but will communicate to person involved directly as to why.

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24 minutes ago, Jean MacDonald said:

Please adjust your poll accordingly to give a true reflection of the numbers.

I don’t understand what you mean?

How does it not give a true reflection?

Your either in APINZ, or your not.

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27 minutes ago, Daley said:

I don’t understand what you mean?

How does it not give a true reflection?

Your either in APINZ, or your not.

I joined Apiculture NZ  a couple  of hours after voting "No" in your poll. Hope that's clearer. 

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16 minutes ago, Jean MacDonald said:

I joined Apiculture NZ  a couple  of hours after voting "No" in your poll. Hope that's clearer. 

 

Why?

and how would @Daley know if you have joined ApiNZ or not 

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2 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:

 

Why?

and how would @Daley know if you have joined ApiNZ or not 

Cos I just told her. It's late and I'm off to bed soon. Good week for me as got 100% on a test in a course I'm doing. Hope your week is going ok. Difficult times ahead for many and wish you well with your golden ladies.

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P.S. @frazzledfozzle was trying to figure out while writing my reply wheather the hard chunks of white that came out of my mouth were a bit of the camerbert I'd been given or another disintergrating tooth. Maybe we need dental insurance with a membership to whatever we join to have our voice heard?

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@Jean MacDonald you know you don’t have to be a member of ApiNZ to have a vote? You just have to be a beekeeper that sells honey that has been extracted at a RMP registered facility 

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4 hours ago, Jean MacDonald said:

I joined Apiculture NZ  a couple  of hours after voting "No" in your poll. Hope that's clearer. 

I’m not sure why you would want to join unless you agree with them about the levies they are pushing because the more people that do the more they can use your number to say they have support.

 

I personally don’t think they are being very transparent with what percentage of beekeepers they ‘represent’ and I am sure it is not as many as they sometimes claim it to be.

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Hi guys I will go about this as peacefully as possible.  @frazzledfozzle I use a large spoon for my extracting and currently do not belong to a club so have no vote. @Daley your survey is a really good idea as some of these things are a juggernaut, difficult to stop once the wheels are in motion. My reasons for joining are my own. I could plead guilty to merely being a bee-haver rather than a beekeeper but as I have spent much time listening to beekeeping talk I will carefully listen, read, ponder and then vote. Panadol seems to have done it's job though as my back played up a bit with the small amount I did on the weekend,  and I'm sure there are others spending sleepless nights and my heart goes out to them as heard $3/kg to be paid to beekeeper once honey extracted. Not good, not good at all. 

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7 hours ago, frazzledfozzle said:

@Jean MacDonald you know you don’t have to be a member of ApiNZ to have a vote? You just have to be a beekeeper that sells honey that has been extracted at a RMP registered facility 

 

@frazzledfozzle I love your posts but sorry to everyone, I need to repeat myself again. The ApiNZ propaganda is wrong.

The commodity levy act clearly says anyone who produces the commodity in question must have access to voting papers. 

If you produce honey, and you are willing to sign a statutory declaration of how much honey you produce, you must be given voting papers, regardless of where that honey is processed, and regardless of how much honey you produce.

 

Weather you vote is an individual choice, and what we call domocracy. Being told you don't get a vote is something else.

The reason every beekeeper is in this position is the compolsory need to be registered on apiary register, which gives a legal identity as an industry participant.

 

 

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@Bushy I have no problem with being corrected, I had no idea that anyone producing honey whether for sale or not would be paying a levy I thought it was only those selling it. 

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10 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:

@Bushy I have no problem with being corrected, I had no idea that anyone producing honey whether for sale or not would be paying a levy I thought it was only those selling it. 

It’s the levy that gets applied to only commercial extraction. Everyone  gets to vote on the approval of the levy. I kinda feel that it should be the ones who are gong to have to pay the levy that should vote. It doesn’t sit very well with me that  A packer or a seller of hives or a hobbiest who aren’t going to have to dip into their pockets get to decide if I want to pay it. 

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Frazz was half right.

You don’t need to belong to APINZ.

 

I have no problem with people being members of APINZ, people should do as they please.

I choose not to join APINZ because I do not agree with them.

This poll was set up as an experiment in reference to another thread where APINZ were asked how many members they have and are yet to come out with a straight answer.

 

If you claim to be the voice for beekeepers and you don’t have the majority of beekeepers in your organisation then I smell a rat.

 

If you are in control of the AFB management which is obviously a flawed system - trying to get more money there, to waste when it obviously isn’t working, and trying to enforce a honey levy to collect yet more funds, and to force membership upon those who have absolutely no desire to join.

 

This whole thing is a joke! Except I’m not laughing, I’m getting rather irate.

I seriously can’t be bothered with this political rubbish, I can think of ten million things I’d rather be doing then going to boring meetings and writing flipping submissions.

I actually am beginning to hate APINZ with the fire of a thousand suns.

 

I may have to crawl back under my rock for the next six months before my head explodes because I can’t deal with bureaucrats and pen pushers who have never worked a day in their lives taxing my hard earned money and telling me what to do when they don’t know the first thing about beekeeping.

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4 hours ago, Jean MacDonald said:

$3/kg to be paid to beekeeper once honey extracted. Not good, not good at all. 

No beekeeper will sell honey for $3/kg
This is not yet a socialist state yet so no one gets to say what a beek "shall" be paid

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1 hour ago, frazzledfozzle said:

@Bushy I have no problem with being corrected, I had no idea that anyone producing honey whether for sale or not would be paying a levy I thought it was only those selling it. 

 

The key is not to confuse the right to vote, and the logistics of actually collecting the levy.

Your right to vote is written in stone. How Apinz plan to actually collect the levy is a mystery of the universe which hopefully becomes clear before we all explode.

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13 hours ago, Bighands said:

See,just as Damien O'connor said "Wild West"

The west coast is an interesting place and has shaped an interesting peoples.
Ive lived there at various times.
One interesting attitude down there was that the Coast will look after its own.

One thing is for sure in my mind, that is if Damien O'connor sees this industry as like the wild west, he certainly has an appropriate yard stick to measure that description by.

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6 hours ago, Philbee said:

The west coast is an interesting place and has shaped an interesting peoples.
Ive lived there at various times.
One interesting attitude down there was that the Coast will look after its own.

One thing is for sure in my mind, that is if Damien O'connor sees this industry as like the wild west, he certainly has an appropriate yard stick to measure that description by.

 

For me the Wild West is early America....cowboys making their own law, shoot em up etc.

The West Coast (of NZ) is an interesting place, and 'I'm not sure if you were taking a swipe at @Bighands or The Minister- but what is being ignored is that the government wants to deal with a unified national body. Which there is not, and while everyone scraps internally- the world moves on.

 

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I have spoken to Damien many times on beekeepers being under one organisation.Of course he wants it as it is easier for him to deal with one .I told him and this is my own personal view that this would never happoen as there are too many egos involved and I have been around long enough to see that I am close to the truth.

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3 minutes ago, Mummzie said:

 

For me the Wild West is early America....cowboys making their own law, shoot em up etc.

The West Coast (of NZ) is an interesting place, and 'I'm not sure if you were taking a swipe at @Bighands or The Minister- but what is being ignored is that the government wants to deal with a unified national body. Which there is not, and while everyone scraps internally- the world moves on.

 

Yes @Mummzie I am sure you are right about the Govt wanting a unified body to put the onus on but it is becoming more and more apparent that we want a unified body that serves the majority of beekeeping enterprises with transparency and integrity. 

We have no wish to be represented by a body that acts in the interests of the only the larger operators and is a self serving empire.

When the likes of ApiNZ has not the integrity to even declare how many beekeepers are part of their organisation ( it is plainly apparent now that it is a very few) we are in serious trouble.

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8 hours ago, frazzledfozzle said:

@Bushy I have no problem with being corrected, I had no idea that anyone producing honey whether for sale or not would be paying a levy I thought it was only those selling it. 

Impossible to police if you extract at home .

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17 minutes ago, Mummzie said:

 

For me the Wild West is early America....cowboys making their own law, shoot em up etc.

The West Coast (of NZ) is an interesting place, and 'I'm not sure if you were taking a swipe at @Bighands or The Minister- but what is being ignored is that the government wants to deal with a unified national body. Which there is not, and while everyone scraps internally- the world moves on.

 

Lol Have you ever lived on the West Coast
I spent time there from 2002 off and on for 5 years maybe more and have good friends there.
What a great place it is.

Im not taking a swipe at the Minister at all or Bighands although I had to chuckle the other night when bighands made the comment about the importance of correct labeling of Honey containers.
There is IMO a darker side to the coast though and that relates to environmental attitudes, however its easy to gloss over them while knocking back Beers at Stumpers surrounded by fun people, partying all night, going straight from the pub to work.
I loved it there.
 

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31 minutes ago, Bighands said:

I have spoken to Damien many times on beekeepers being under one organisation.Of course he wants it as it is easier for him to deal with one .I told him and this is my own personal view that this would never happoen as there are too many egos involved and I have been around long enough to see that I am close to the truth.

Im not sure that ego is the right word but its probably close.
One real danger here is that going forward there is a high probability that this industry will see a  high proportion of its income being earned by a relatively small portion of the Stakeholders, at least in the short term.
This will not be tolerated by the less advantaged stakeholders who will see themselves as the poor being forced to subsidize the rich.
Rightly or wrongly this is how people think and if an industry body wants to lead this outfit then it needs to demonstrate an understanding of this.
ApiNZ now have the industries attention and I would advocate an extended  period of meet and greet before attempting to close this deal

 

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