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I'm not wanting to be involved in rumours either but it would be no surprise to me and I suspect many others if the 60 thousand were in the hands of the big C in one guise or another e.g. Kiwi Bee and others.

The scourge of local small operators in my opinion.

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The fonterra of the bee business. Next step it to make sure we comply we must sell all honey to them. It will be in the industries best interests of course although we will need to fund the

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On 29/07/2018 at 2:52 PM, Philbee said:

If you use Oxalic Paper Tape Staples just once this season you will easily save the $4500 difference and plus have better Bees out the other side.
 

I just put in $5500 of Apivar and when that comes out bayvarol goes in during the Manuka flow which is another 5500 where do you buy italic paper staples?

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6 minutes ago, Maru Hoani said:

I just put in $5500 of Apivar and when that comes out bayvarol goes in during the Manuka flow which is another 5500 where do you buy italic paper staples?

 

Bayvarol is only supposed to be used as an emergency treatment with honey supers on not holis-bolis :( 

 

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A levy on honey an increase in AFB levy probable costs for testing honey for AFB and we haven’t even got to the proposed GIA and the levy that will be placed on us to join In that particular rabble. 

All off the back of $4.50 honey

 

Good times 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Maru Hoani said:

I just put in $5500 of Apivar and when that comes out bayvarol goes in during the Manuka flow which is another 5500 where do you buy italic paper staples?

 

What's the time frame for Api and then Bay?  Seems an overkill?  I am guessing that Bayvarol goes straight in after the Apivar (manuka flowering October onwards). 

 

And what about Autumn?  

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1 hour ago, Maru Hoani said:

I just put in $5500 of Apivar and when that comes out bayvarol goes in during the Manuka flow which is another 5500 where do you buy italic paper staples?

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On 1/08/2018 at 6:45 PM, Gino de Graaf said:

 

What's the time frame for Api and then Bay?  Seems an overkill?  I am guessing that Bayvarol goes straight in after the Apivar (manuka flowering October onwards). 

 

And what about Autumn?  

Second week of August onwards, and you have to double treat prior to the flow and double oxalic the sites that are still breaking down.

Out in the wild west if you want 500boxes from 700 hives. It's majorly overstocked and hives constantly breaking down. And most of my sites are light up in red on the apiweb.

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On 1/08/2018 at 6:48 PM, Philbee said:

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Can they go in during the honey flow? 

I'm keen to use on my next treatment, I'm just flat broke at the moment with only enough money for essentials until I get some more of my outstanding invoice. (So far been payed 10%)

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1 hour ago, Maru Hoani said:

Second week of August onwards, and you have to double treat prior to the flow and double oxalic the sites that are still breaking down.

Out in the wild west if you want 500boxes from 700 hives. It's majorly overstocked and hives constantly breaking down. And most of my sites are light up in red on the apiweb.

 

Geez. what's going on up there? Are neighbouring hives mite bombs?

Do you test before and after treatments?

 I just can't understand why you treat with Apivar then straight to Bayvarol.  Surely, you could achieve a treatment free period between placements.

What do you do in the Autumn? 

From the costings you mentioned ($5500) for Apivar and 700 hives you place 2-3 apivar soon

Then ($5500) of bayvarol = 4 strips per hive- which is light on dosage as the hives would be getting quite strong. 

You dribble or vapour ox? 

 

For spring I use 4 Apivar as late as possible- try for October but earlier if I have to.   This is to treat and protect hives during Kiwifruit pollination October/November. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Maru Hoani said:

Can they go in during the honey flow? 

I'm keen to use on my next treatment, I'm just flat broke at the moment with only enough money for essentials until I get some more of my outstanding invoice. (So far been payed 10%)

Good luck, 

You shopped around selling your honey last season, and as I remember got a reasonable price.  Like other members, are your payments coming as you expect or far too slowly?  

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In cases of genuine hardship there is no reason why any Beek should now see their Bees go untreated.
As a group we now have the means  to ensure this.
It doesnt cost a lot to read, read and enquire

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3 hours ago, Gino de Graaf said:

 

Geez. what's going on up there? Are neighbouring hives mite bombs?

Do you test before and after treatments?

 I just can't understand why you treat with Apivar then straight to Bayvarol.  Surely, you could achieve a treatment free period between placements.

What do you do in the Autumn? 

From the costings you mentioned ($5500) for Apivar and 700 hives you place 2-3 apivar soon

Then ($5500) of bayvarol = 4 strips per hive- which is light on dosage as the hives would be getting quite strong. 

You dribble or vapour ox? 

 

For spring I use 4 Apivar as late as possible- try for October but earlier if I have to.   This is to treat and protect hives during Kiwifruit pollination October/November. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In some areas yes, I lost 12/12 at one site, the other half a km in had lost 4/12 and further in there were no losses from my other sites. 

 

I vaporize ox, some sites showed 30-40 mites in some hives, when I vaporize a second time a few weeks later there were another 30-40 mites! And that was after 3 synthetic treatments last season

 

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2 minutes ago, Maru Hoani said:

In some areas yes, I lost 12/12 at one site, the other half a km in had lost 4/12 and further in there were no losses from my other sites. 

 

I vaporize ox, some sites showed 30-40 mites in some hives, when I vaporize a second time a few weeks later there were another 30-40 mites! And that was after 3 synthetic treatments last season

 

How many Hives are you running?

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1 hour ago, Philbee said:

Maru
In cases of genuine hardship there is no reason why any Beek should now see their Bees go untreated.
As a group we now have the means  to ensure this.
It doesnt cost a lot to read, read and enquire

 

4 hours ago, Ali said:

Are they doing a schedule of payments? 1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 or just holding out?

I don't know??? Maybe everyone's just struggling

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On 1/08/2018 at 5:24 PM, frazzledfozzle said:

 

Bayvarol is only supposed to be used as an emergency treatment with honey supers on not holis-bolis :( 

 

It is an emergency when you lose a whole site. The season before last season I put my apivar in May then used bayvarol in July so there were no treatments in while the Manuka flow was on, this season I held back and ended up losing 20+ hives

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13 minutes ago, Maru Hoani said:

Just over 700

Well Maru
If you sat down and read the entire Oxalic Acid and Glycerine Thread it might take you 3 hours plus another couple of hours to go over it again and learn the basics of treating with Oxalic Acid and Glycerine.
You might then ask around a bit, maybe email Randy Oliver about his view on residues etc.

From that you would probably have the Knowledge required to take control of the acquisition and manufacture of an Oxalic Acid / Glycerine treatment for your own use within the guidelines set out in Exemption 2 of Schedule 2 of the ACVM Regulations 2011 
From experience I can tell you that to treat 700 singles the total material cost would be approx $1600+gst

700 mixed singles and doubles would probably cost you $2100+ gst and in the unlikely event you ran 700 doubles that might cost something like $2700+gst
If you were able to demonstrate genuine hardship, then there may be genuine terms available.
But it all starts with the Beekeeper taking control of the solution

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