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Its probably a good time to bring up this topic
Its likely that Extraction shed ripoffs are common in this industry so its important that Beeks weigh their boxes or a sample of their boxes before and after extraction
There are some very reliable Companies around who weigh Honey boxes in and out but not all do this

I know that Arataki is beyond reproach in this regard but many others are not.
As a ball park indication a 10 frame FD box made of 19mm dressed  pine  full of Honey on plastic frames that that are neither fat nor skinny will weigh around 37kg.
Over a sample of 100 boxes of these site sorted boxes the average will be 34-35 kg
The same wet will weigh 10-12kg depending on how well they are extracted.
This means that each box should net 34kg minus 12kg = 22kg less reasonable losses which includes wax
If you dont sort your boxes before they go to extraction then the average weight per box will be lower and the weigh in/out system becomes even more important.
 

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Of course There are others that are beyond reproach also.
I will be dealing with one of them this season

 

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doubly so for the crowds that extract and buy.

also be wary of mentioning where hives are. there is extraction crowds with reputations of putting their hives next to their customers best sites.

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2 hours ago, Philbee said:

Of course There are others that are beyond reproach also.
I will be dealing with one of them this season

 

I really like the retired helicopter pilot that has an extraction plant in Taupo??

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31 minutes ago, dansar said:

I really like the retired helicopter pilot that has an extraction plant in Taupo??

Flappy

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Now that I have a buisness partner with a packhouse thus pallet scales i will know for sure....

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3 hours ago, Philbee said:

There are some very reliable Companies around who weigh Honey boxes in and out but not all do this

Curious. If they didn't weigh in and out, how else could they determine yield for payment?

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8 minutes ago, Rob Stockley said:

Curious. If they didn't weigh in and out, how else could they determine yield for payment?

Would you believe, Drum weight 

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3 hours ago, Philbee said:

Flappy

I’ve never known him by that name.

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8 minutes ago, dansar said:

I’ve never known him by that name.

Its a local name going back decades

 

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3 hours ago, Philbee said:

Would you believe, Drum weight 

Sounds like a good excuse to lose some through the process....

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17 minutes ago, Rob Stockley said:

Sounds like a good excuse to lose some through the process....

You bet

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in todays environment, you would have to be stupid to be flapping your mouth about the whereabouts of good sites and yeild amounts! i suppose some people get excited and reveal.

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We have some bathroom scales near the trailer and randomly weigh boxes (is actually easier to just hop on the scales with the box and then subtract your weight).  The weights get written down.  The in drum weight is usually about 60% of the honey box weight, so for a 3/4 box weighing 26kg it comes back to about 16kg in the drum.

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11 hours ago, Adam O'Sullivan said:

in todays environment, you would have to be stupid to be flapping your mouth about the whereabouts of good sites and yeild amounts! i suppose some people get excited and reveal.

What are you talking about?
This thread is about extraction yields not site yields 

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I suspect that in the past 17-18kg yeild for a FD box has been the norm

This is probably due to the boxes not being sorted on site and maxed out.

The result has been that some or many extraction outfits see 18kg as the benchmark weight and the rest is for them.
There will be those that find this type of statement very difficult to believe or swallow.
This season I will be developing an accurate set of statistics which will be made available to others concerned about returns.


 

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11 hours ago, Adam O'Sullivan said:

in todays environment, you would have to be stupid to be flapping your mouth about the whereabouts of good sites and yeild amounts! i suppose some people get excited and reveal.

Me? I make up BS about my worst sites in the hopes that they get poached-worked for two this year....

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11 hours ago, CraBee said:

randomly weigh boxes

 

11 hours ago, CraBee said:

drum weight is usually about 60%

the trouble with all that is it can end up being way off. when you start doing averages and random samples of something that is always quite variable, you can end up with meaningless results.

you really need to measure all boxes full and then empty.

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1 hour ago, Philbee said:

What are you talking about?
This thread is about extraction yields not site yields 

i think hes referring to my post of some extract and buy crowds that test the honey then start asking where it comes from so they can put their own hives there.

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4 hours ago, tristan said:

i think hes referring to my post of some extract and buy crowds that test the honey then start asking where it comes from so they can put their own hives there.

I know the type of beast

Lol bring it on

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5 hours ago, Kiwifruiter said:

Me? I make up BS about my worst sites in the hopes that they get poached-worked for two this year....

Somehow KF I picture you as a hopeless  liar:D

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4 hours ago, tristan said:

i think hes referring to my post of some extract and buy crowds that test the honey then start asking where it comes from so they can put their own hives there.

Yeah, thats right Tristan.

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A good conversion should be 14 FD boxes to the drum

 

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Do you guys have data for 22mm boxes?

And for cappings per box?

 

I remember that 17kg of honey norm per FD box.

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Possibly a silly question, but what’s conversion between volume and weight? A google suggests about 1.45kgs per litre, but my scales are way too imprecise to get decent measure. I assume it varies depending on water content and honey type?

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