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Well it really does'nt surprise me ... corparate business is big business full of big egos' with a lot of hot air coming out of   A hole.  

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Just now, jamesc said:

Well it really does'nt surprise me ... corparate business is big business full of big egos' with a lot of hot air coming out of   A hole.  

Studies and surveys have shown that a lot of CEOs tick most of the boxes of personality traits of psychopaths and narcissists.

We have a system geared to their success .

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1 hour ago, kaihoka said:

Studies and surveys have shown that a lot of CEOs tick most of the boxes of personality traits of psychopaths and narcissists.

We have a system geared to their success .

Not anymore we don’t ??

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1 hour ago, Daley said:

Not anymore we don’t ??

I think you are dreaming, if you think a change in Govt will change manager/directors mind sets.

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It doesn't matter who is in govt the corporates will continue thinking like corporates.

if you don't have the big companies you don't have employment.

we have worked bleeding hard to get where we are and Im ashamed to say that in the early years when we were trying to set up our own business our kids missed out on having us around because we were working night and day.

Now we read and hear through all types of media about how greedy we are and how good we had it and how we should be paying more tax to help those on benefits etc. It makes me so mad what's the point in working and making sacrifices if the profits go to someone else. 

Those that are now going into resthomes and saved their money are paying out of their own pocket for a room and meals exactly the same amount of money as the bloke next door who has the govt pay for his because he spent everything on overseas trips flash cars, booze and smokes.

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1 hour ago, Trevor Gillbanks said:

I think you are dreaming, if you think a change in Govt will change manager/directors mind sets.

You are right , it took a generation to arrive at the current mind set and it may take anotheir generation to unwind it .

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90% of employment in NZ is with small businesses, ie under 50 people, and as the left government has generally favoured small business I would expect most commercail beeks to be better off, just a few corporates may be disadvantaged, so sad, too bad, ever mind. 

Money shufflers have done well in recent times, and somehow called it 'wealth creation', but perhaps face a career change to get the same returns.

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3 hours ago, frazzledfozzle said:

It makes me so mad what's the point in working and making sacrifices if the profits go to someone else.

http://www.jonasmaxwell.com/pages/index.cfm?pg=142&cat=5

This story sums your point up well.

Its the reason Socialist societies tend to self destruct just as easily as Capitalist ones 

Socialist  societies still have greedy elites only they are far more entrenched which makes their position almost god like, total unobtainable for the average peasant. 

 

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I don't know why everyone is giving Mr Watson such a hard time. I'm sure he treats his workers and shareholders with the same honesty and integrity as he treats his fellow beekeepers.

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John

You are so right. People reep what they sow. 

It is talk of the town down here. Lots of quiet smiles and chuckles. Mr Watson, honesty and integrity all in the same sentence. Has to be worth a smile. 

Having read the article a bit more closely, it does sound as if it could have been written for Ngai Tahu - Distancing themselves I think!

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57 minutes ago, Desperate Dan said:

John

You are so right. People reep what they sow. 

It is talk of the town down here. Lots of quiet smiles and chuckles. Mr Watson, honesty and integrity all in the same sentence. Has to be worth a smile. 

Having read the article a bit more closely, it does sound as if it could have been written for Ngai Tahu - Distancing themselves I think!

The Germans have a word for it 

Schadenfreude  :)

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My wife tells me that as I was reading the article last night I was chuckling evilly to myself.

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14 minutes ago, Kiwifruiter said:

Could sombody please coppy the artical here? Thanks lol

For crying out loud ! What's that from Dan on the previous page a ham sandwich ?

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2 hours ago, Desperate Dan said:

John

You are so right. People reep what they sow. 

It is talk of the town down here. Lots of quiet smiles and chuckles. Mr Watson, honesty and integrity all in the same sentence. Has to be worth a smile. 

Having read the article a bit more closely, it does sound as if it could have been written for Ngai Tahu - Distancing themselves I think!

Of course , we all like to shoot down the corporates and large bee companies .... myself included .... but working away today on my hobby - making up nucs - the thought process kicked in that while we may not like the Modus Operandi of the likes of Watsons, Comvita, NZ Manuka, to name a few .... without them the price of Manuka honey would still be similar to that of floor scrapings and there would be  a lot of beekeepers claiming a benefit.

It's a two edged sword.

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2 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Of course , we all like to shoot down the corporates and large bee companies .... myself included .... but working away today on my hobby - making up nucs - the thought process kicked in that while we may not like the Modus Operandi of the likes of Watsons, Comvita, NZ Manuka, to name a few .... without them the price of Manuka honey would still be similar to that of floor scrapings and there would be  a lot of beekeepers claiming a benefit.

It's a two edged sword.

Exsickerly James

These Guys make things happen and create jobs.

Good on them and good luck to them

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2 minutes ago, Philbee said:

Exsickerly James

These Guys make things happen and create jobs.

Good on them and good luck to them

Yep ... I got heaps of jobs but can't afford to pay anyone to do them. Maybe i need to chase some more Kanuka sites.:D

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16 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Of course , we all like to shoot down the corporates and large bee companies .... myself included .... but working away today on my hobby - making up nucs - the thought process kicked in that while we may not like the Modus Operandi of the likes of Watsons, Comvita, NZ Manuka, to name a few .... without them the price of Manuka honey would still be similar to that of floor scrapings and there would be  a lot of beekeepers claiming a benefit.

It's a two edged sword.

watson is a little different. they got on the bad side of beeks due to their previous ventures.

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The price of manuka is where it is today because of the hard work of scientists, beekeepers and marketing by the old National beekeepers Association funded by a compulsory marketing levy. Watsons et cetera only came along after all the hard work was done. 

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19 minutes ago, john berry said:

Watsons et cetera only came along after all the hard work was done. 

I would call that eminently sensible :ph34r:

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2 hours ago, john berry said:

The price of manuka is where it is today because of the hard work of scientists, beekeepers and marketing by the old National beekeepers Association funded by a compulsory marketing levy. Watsons et cetera only came along after all the hard work was done. 

Ah no .... the old dogs are still there.

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4 hours ago, Philbee said:

Exsickerly James

These Guys make things happen and create jobs.

Good on them and good luck to them

I should amend this statement  and include the phrase "These type of guys" 

I haven't dealt with Watson and Son but my wife has and she found them very good.

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5 hours ago, Philbee said:

Exsickerly James

These Guys make things happen and create jobs.

Good on them and good luck to them

they also put a lot of people out of a job and a livelihood and also prevent a lot of enterprises from happening that might be a lot more community orientated, not jut claiming it.

from the same "floral" resources a 10.000 beehive operation with say 20 beekeepers/workers exists, about 50 self employed beekeepers could have the same income as an employee of Watson.

but i actually have no idea what a average "Waton or so" employee would earn.

my guess is that unless you are "team leader" (and that would be a hell of a stress job), you earn somewhere around minimum wages if that. (the one thing in beekeeping that never changes)

or am i wrong?.

 

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7 hours ago, tom sayn said:

they also put a lot of people out of a job and a livelihood and also prevent a lot of enterprises from happening that might be a lot more community orientated, not jut claiming it.

from the same "floral" resources a 10.000 beehive operation with say 20 beekeepers/workers exists, about 50 self employed beekeepers could have the same income as an employee of Watson.

but i actually have no idea what a average "Waton or so" employee would earn.

my guess is that unless you are "team leader" (and that would be a hell of a stress job), you earn somewhere around minimum wages if that. (the one thing in beekeeping that never changes)

or am i wrong?.

 

Team leader 90-95k

Lower order beekeeper 2yrs experience 50-60k

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5 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Team leader 90-95k

Lower order beekeeper 2yrs experience 50-60k

:o

that is significantly better than what i would have thought, @jamesc

i'm surprised they can retain those wages considering disease related hive losses and flops that happen when you place huge bee numbers in unknown territory, etc.

certainly explains why they find people who work for them.

 

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