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31 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

Will they have you back tomorrow.?

 

On Monday.. yes

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32 minutes ago, Daley said:

Tell them to stick their job.

Lifes too short.

I've had that happen, I got a promotion to field supervisor and my old supervisor ended up in the office, she didn't like it and started to poison the boss against me.

 

He called me into his office and called me a rotten apple, I had known him since I was 5 years old, it was a huge shock considering I hadn't done anything wrong, I left and didn't go back.

God it felt good.

Enjoy your moment of independent power while you are young and fancy free.

As you get older and collect commitments and dependants you have to suck up a lot of pretty indigestible stuff.

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14 hours ago, Daley said:
On 06/10/2017 at 3:56 PM, Daley said:

I have hives in an elderly lady's garden which I put there when I first started beekeeping and every time I try to move them she guilts me into keeping them there, she loves the bees and she loves seeing them in her garden working, I spend more time talking to her when I go there then I do working a yard of 30 hives.

She's such a nice lady and I would love to keep them there but I just don't have that kind of time anymore so I think I'll be taking them away soon.

 

If you do want ant to leave them then what about seeing if a hobbiest might do the regular beekeeping for you? You just come in at honey time? But it's your hive so your call of course

 

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14 hours ago, Daley said:

 

I was quite happy being an employee but I struggled to find a reasonable employer.

It's probably because I can't shut my mouth when I think something is stupid.

 

Ahh, so possibly also a mix of 'reasonable employee' too ? ?

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12 hours ago, Alastair said:

However I have spent many years working for others, they all have something to teach, even if it's what not to do LOL. 

 

What he said ! !

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1 hour ago, Daley said:

Tell them to stick their job.

Lifes too short.

I've had that happen, I got a promotion to field supervisor and my old supervisor ended up in the office, she didn't like it and started to poison the boss against me.

 

He called me into his office and called me a rotten apple, I had known him since I was 5 years old, it was a huge shock considering I hadn't done anything wrong, I left and didn't go back.

God it felt good.

We have a manager in one yard that expects us to "Bend to his Will" and when we start to get a good flow going on production in the workshop suddenly we get given other tasks to do, so one by one we are split of and away from the core work the company expects us to do in a day..of which leaves  us completely boggeled. The company knows what's going on but but haven't worked out how to deal with it. "Mutiny "has come to mind. The last company  I worked for had a Mutiny clause in our employment contracts...but that's another story. 

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15 minutes ago, Over Worker said:

The last company  I worked for had a Mutiny clause in our employment contracts...but that's another story. 

 

The one I work for has one of those too - and only very recently did they remove the "will be shot" clause from the list of punishments for it!

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2 hours ago, Curious George said:

 

The one I work for has one of those too - and only very recently did they remove the "will be shot" clause from the list of punishments for it!

I think I worked for the same Company for 20 years also.

Great bunch of people to work for. (Well, it was in my days)

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6 hours ago, kaihoka said:

Enjoy your moment of independent power while you are young and fancy free.

As you get older and collect commitments and dependants you have to suck up a lot of pretty indigestible stuff.

I think I have sucked up a lifetime of it already.

 

I haven't been fancy free for a long time, I've been a home owner for 8 years now which saps youth pretty quickly.

But it also means I won't have to tolerate as much other people's crap as I get older because by then I should have a freehold house and won't need as much money to get by.

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5 hours ago, Curious George said:

 

The one I work for has one of those too - and only very recently did they remove the "will be shot" clause from the list of punishments for it!

From what I can remember the soft option was instant dismissal but I think that was the last thing they do after doing  everything they can to     ruin your life via the court system .

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4 minutes ago, Over Worker said:

From what I can remember the soft option was instant dismissal but I think that was the last thing they do after doing  everything they can to     ruin your life via the court system .

Gosh thats shady.

I wonder how they call that acting in goodwill

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8 minutes ago, Daley said:

Gosh thats shady.

I wonder how they call that acting in goodwill

A sister company to the one I used to work for had a Restraint of trade clause in there eomployee contracts...meaning if any of there mechanics (service technicians ) left the company they couldn't work for another company in the same trade within a 50 km radius for two years...

That's how mean some companies get trying to retain staff.

They tried to enforce the clause a couple of times on those that left, with effect. 

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11 minutes ago, Over Worker said:

A sister company to the one I used to work for had a Restraint of trade clause in there eomployee contracts...meaning if any of there mechanics (service technicians ) left the company they couldn't work for another company in the same trade within a 50 km radius for two years...

That's how mean some companies get trying to retain staff.

They tried to enforce the clause a couple of times on those that left, with effect. 

 

I doubt that is legal.

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23 minutes ago, Hector Wong said:

My understanding of a restraint of trade is to stop you from setting up business in opposition  The courts would not enforce one that stopped you from earning a living by taking employment from someone else in the same industry.

 

They're legal I believe (ie can be put in a contract) but difficult to enforce where such a restraint would prevent you from working in a specialised industry as Hector says

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46 minutes ago, CraBee said:

 

I doubt that is legal.

its legal and fairly common.

there was a bit on the news about some years back when a emplyor had it in their contracts for part timers, which was considered rather rude but actually legal.

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Just now, tristan said:

its legal and fairly common.

there was a bit on the news about some years back when a emplyor had it in their contracts for part timers, which was considered rather rude but actually legal.

 

About 15 years ago I had an internet (web site hosting) business and had a bunch of tech-heads working for me.  One of these guys cultivated relationships with some of my top clients and then told me he was leaving to work as Manager of a new rival company and took 15%-20% of my business with it.  Even worse than this the guy who was funding the new company was a qualified Doctor who I had picked up as he was hitch-hiking a year or two earlier and I had proceeded to tell him about my business etc and he had then become a client of it.  Goes to show, you can never be too careful who you pick up hitch-hiking.  The tech-head who left said to me as left: "I hope we can still be friends though" I think you may know what my answer to that was.

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1 hour ago, Over Worker said:

A sister company to the one I used to work for had a Restraint of trade clause in there eomployee contracts...meaning if any of there mechanics (service technicians ) left the company they couldn't work for another company in the same trade within a 50 km radius for two years...

That's how mean some companies get trying to retain staff.

They tried to enforce the clause a couple of times on those that left, with effect. 

I think usually they can only enforce them in bigger places where there are options to work 50km away.

In small towns they are often overthrown because people need to work somewhere.

Restraint of trade is a pretty common condition in contracts.

I can understand why, but I don't understand why anyone would want to pressure someone to stay in a position that was untenable.

 

Employment law in NZ is fairly open to interpretation and it's case by case.

Contracts are supposed to protect both parties and both parties are supposed to act in goodwill but it isn't always necessarily set up that way.

 

It costs thousands to take an employment matter to court even if it is a small one, and it takes a very long time to get the issue resolved even when it is very clear who is in the wrong.

However I think it is worth doing, the only way some people will ever learn is if you can hit them in the pocket where it hurts.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Daley said:

I think usually they can only enforce them in bigger places where there are options to work 50km away.

In small towns they are often overthrown because people need to work somewhere.

Restraint of trade is a pretty common condition in contracts.

I can understand why, but I don't understand why anyone would want to pressure someone to stay in a position that was untenable.

 

Employment law in NZ is fairly open to interpretation and it's case by case.

Contracts are supposed to protect both parties and both parties are supposed to act in goodwill but it isn't always necessarily set up that way.

 

It costs thousands to take an employment matter to court even if it is a small one, and it takes a very long time to get the issue resolved even when it is very clear who is in the wrong.

However I think it is worth doing, the only way some people will ever learn is if you can hit them in the pocket where it hurts.

 

 

50 km is very limiting here with a few towns close by. And for some that means they can't work in the town they live in, anyway to have and to try and enforce a clause like that on a PAYE wage earner going to another waged job is OTT.

The restraint of trade thing is if you sell a business it's to stop you from setting up the same type business next door and taking there customers away from them that they paid you good will for.

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2 hours ago, Daley said:

I think usually they can only enforce them in bigger places where there are options to work 50km away.

it depends on the industry and the job.

some are contracted not to work in the same industry if they leave. thats to help stop industry spying.

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Contracts .... don't get me started, but they don't seem to be worth the time and effort that goes into drawing them up. If one party is gonna do something they will. When we folded our JV we had a restraint of trade for three years .... not allowed to run bees north of wellington, unless we offered the crop to our ex first. On wind up day the contract had been altered to 'No bees north of wellington, period".

Needless to say, we burnt the contract and carried on business as usual .... something stronger than "Prats" comes to mind.

 

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