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I see that the link to the submissions on the Risk Analysis(RA) for the Importation of Carnica semen from Germany and Austria was posted on this Forum.   Remember first that this was 2003, but it does

This image is from 2005 when I was at the F3 stage with the carnica semen importations.  This Queen is 87.5% carnica, and is sort of the bee I am headed back to with our new Kiwi Cross population that

Local selection of local bees leads to greater production, less costs, less losses and helps to retain genetic diversity and genetic improvements that have been bred by local beekeepers for generation

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Bettabees Italian artificially inseminated breeder queens would be the first obvious choice as they have collected stock from around NZ and work through at least a basic scientific method to achieve desired traits, however the jury is out on whether they are actually great queens or not. But I warn you, if you have a heart condition I don't suggest to look at the price of them.

 

It makes me very jealous when I see how cheap AI breeders are in Europe and the great selection of them, I think you may be disappointed here with the commercial diversity of breeder queen strains.

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Thanks for the replies. Bettabees is out of my list. Closed randon mass selection program = no pedigree. Had limited experience with them this season. My personal opinion - I think they had introduced new genetics the tricky way.

 

Need something with calculatable inbreeding and kinship coefficients. Life is much more easier.

 

Colour is of no importance. In fact, I have an eclectic taste.

 

Yep, many AI (or Island maded) queens in Europe on the market, but the best won't be found in the yellow pages. Just because the beeks are the same all over the world ;)

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Pick a queen that you like/has things you like and breed from it....

 

In one of my expeditions many years ago, I climbed the highest peak on the highest mountain on an undiscovered yet Island in the Atlantic ocean. And there, in the middle of nowhere -there he was - an old beekeeper, who happened to be a friend with br. Adam. In his apiary I found one such queen and I am still grafting from her. Unfortunately, they won't let me import her in NZ

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Hi @Scutellator are you planning a move to New Zealand? The bee population here has been closed to imports for many years. We don't have European Foulbrood, tracheal mites or small hive beetle. Treatment with antibiotics is banned and this adds to the value of our honey exports.

Do you think it would be a good thing to import , with bio security controls, some new genetics into the NZ bee population.

I read about buckfast bees and they sounded pretty good.

Have they ever been brought to NZ ?

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Do you think it would be a good thing to import , with bio security controls, some new genetics into the NZ bee population.

No. I think the risks outweigh the returns. Apart from varroa tolerance (do we really want Africanised Bees?), what's wrong with our current honey bee stock?

 

 

I read about buckfast bees and they sounded pretty good.

Have they ever been brought to NZ ?

I don't know the answer. All sorts would have been brought out during New Zealand's colonial period. So perhaps the Buckfast genetics are already here.

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Do you think it would be a good thing to import , with bio security controls, some new genetics into the NZ bee population.

I read about buckfast bees and they sounded pretty good.

Have they ever been brought to NZ ?

No.

And the idea of anyone importing bees freaks me out lol

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The last time genetics were imported deformed wing virus came in at the same time...

A very well known breeder experienced in importing genetics told me a couple of years ago that MPI had approached him to say they would support him in any endeavours to import some new lines. Because of the personal attacks/backlash he suffered the first time he imported genetics he decided he didn't want to go through that again. Interestingly - one of the most vocal beekeepers against the imports is now using those genetics almost exclusively for his queen and package bee export business.

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A very well known breeder experienced in importing genetics told me a couple of years ago that MPI had approached him to say they would support him in any endeavours to import some new lines. Because of the personal attacks/backlash he suffered the first time he imported genetics he decided he didn't want to go through that again. Interestingly - one of the most vocal beekeepers against the imports is now using those genetics almost exclusively for his queen and package bee export business.

For me it isn't about genetics it's about disease risk....

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Do you think it would be a good thing to import , with bio security controls, some new genetics into the NZ bee population.

I read about buckfast bees and they sounded pretty good.

Have they ever been brought to NZ ?

i suspect they have been imported in the early days. even carnis etc where brought in and all sorts smuggled in or arrived as wild hives. quite amazing we didn't end up with more diseases.

but beeks bred mainly Italian and wild pop was heavily black bee based.

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you can forget imports here.

from what was learnt from the carni imports is that there is diseases that can be transmitted by seamen alone.

there is a risk of importing some unknown virus.

Semen or seamen?

From what I've come to understand the viruses were only NOTICED once varroa acted as a vector and amplified the affects.

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From what I've come to understand the viruses were only NOTICED once varroa acted as a vector and amplified the affects.

 

Varroa was discovered in NZ in 2000, carniolan imports were given the OK in 2004, deformed wing virus was first discovered in NZ in Northland in 2007.

 

My bet is with the virus being in the carny semen

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Varroa was discovered in NZ in 2000, carniolan imports were given the OK in 2004, deformed wing virus was first discovered in NZ in Northland in 2007.

 

My bet is with the virus being in the carny semen

Is that why you do not like carnys , or is that just one of the things on a large list :lol

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We have most known bee viruses already here in nz.

 

We in nz so worried trying to stop all the bad things such as diseases and pests getting into nz, but some how we end up every nasty stuff in the world but still not allowed to bring the cures such as VSH bees etc.

 

May be we need to look at ways to get our bee stock improved without getting any pests or diseases with it. With the technology we have now a days we should be able to import needed genetics for our bees.

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We have most known bee viruses already here in nz.

 

We in nz so worried trying to stop all the bad things such as diseases and pests getting into nz, but some how we end up every nasty stuff in the world but still not allowed to bring the cures such as VSH bees etc.

 

May be we need to look at ways to get our bee stock improved without getting any pests or diseases with it. With the technology we have now a days we should be able to import needed genetics for our bees.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I was told that MPI were trying to encourage a well known breeder to attempt some more semen imports. That was 2 or 3 years ago so don't know if they are still agreeable. The breeder declined due to the flack he copped from his first imports. He didn't want to face that again so the opportunity for improved genetics was lost.

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We have most known bee viruses already here in nz.

 

We in nz so worried trying to stop all the bad things such as diseases and pests getting into nz, but some how we end up every nasty stuff in the world but still not allowed to bring the cures such as VSH bees etc.

 

May be we need to look at ways to get our bee stock improved without getting any pests or diseases with it. With the technology we have now a days we should be able to import needed genetics for our bees.

I think we should be very concerned with not letting in any more pests and diseases.

It seems very short sighted to allow any import of anything bee related in to NZ.

There is a reason we are unique and can demand a good price for our honey and it would be silly to stuff that up by adding more stressors to an already pushed environment.

Just for the sake of a few new genetics.

Insects don't inbreed like mammals do.

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