Daley 4,351 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 yea it was more the two mpi scientists response. like it must be your honey and analyticas problem. not the fact that there could be potential holes in there sceince when it comes to testing. That was exactly what I got to. MPI were like, well they're not an approved lab for the DNA test. It's going to be interesting to see what happens there. Someone's doing it wrong so who is it.. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Jake 2 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 today mpi said that analytica is not a approved testing place. because some one come with test results of a 18+ that had no manuka DNA at all. They said maybe that why the test failed. Similar results are being obtained at Hill Laboratories. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Cyathea 354 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Similar results are being obtained at Hill Laboratories. So when that happens, are they looking at what dna IS in the sample?? Link to post Share on other sites
frazzledfozzle 7,483 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Could it be as simple as @Emissary said? Yes it's active Honey but no it's not got enough Manuka nectar to call it manuka or Manuka blend. As has been mentioned before perhaps the "activity" comes from something else on the Manuka plant like the honeydew found on some Manuka? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
kaihoka 2,975 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Could it be as simple as @Emissary said? Yes it's active Honey but no it's not got enough Manuka nectar to call it manuka or Manuka blend. As has been mentioned before perhaps the "activity" comes from something else on the Manuka plant like the honeydew found on some Manuka? So sooty mould may end up being very desirable 1 Link to post Share on other sites
tristan 4,362 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 So sooty mould may end up being very desirable unlikely the likes of comvita will have checked everything. they will have tested the sap. Link to post Share on other sites
Daley 4,351 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Similar results are being obtained at Hill Laboratories. They didn't tell us that. Link to post Share on other sites
jamesc 4,917 Posted May 12, 2017 Author Share Posted May 12, 2017 unlikelythe likes of comvita will have checked everything. they will have tested the sap. the assumption was the mother of all stuff ups 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Pinnacle 521 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Another email today, has some interesting info, so I've copies it here in full. Hello everyone, Extension of consultation to Tuesday 13 June 2017 MPI has extended its consultation on a scientific definition to authenticate New Zealand mānuka honey and the proposed new requirements for the export of bee products to 13 June 2017. Consultation has been running for five weeks and was due to close on Tuesday 23 May, but following feedback from stakeholders during this time we have decided to release all of our scientific data. Release of scientific data Our initial release for consultation was of a summary science report that explained the science and the scientific process we carried out over the three years to arrive at the definition. However, stakeholders want to delve deeper and review the data. We are now making the data related to honey samples, nectar samples and marker stability available. If you would like to receive the data please indicate your interest by emailing:manuka.honey@mpi.govt.nz Please note we are still working through a process to ensure the data is in a usable format and meets privacy, commercial and confidence requirements. At this stage we are planning on having the data available for release no later than Thursday 25 May 2017. We will send out another update once it is available. Additional public meeting, date and time TBC We will also hold a public meeting in Wellington to give you an opportunity to ask us questions about the data. Details will be posted on our website next week (week of 22 May) www.mpi.govt.nz/honeyconsultation List of accredited labs As at 16 May, the accredited labs are: DNA testing · Eurofins NZ Laboratory Services Limited · R J Hill Laboratories Limited Chemical testing · R J Hill Laboratories Limited · Analytica Laboratories Limited For more details about the accredited labs visit: www.mpi.govt.nz/manuka-honey Another update to follow As noted above, we will send out another update next week confirming: · Availability of data · Date, time and place of public meeting in Wellington Kind regards Manuka honey programme team Link to post Share on other sites
Jake 2 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 We are now making the data related to honey samples, nectar samples and marker stability available. That will be a very interesting data set indeed. Link to post Share on other sites
nab 86 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 That will be a very interesting data set indeed. we will all wait for you to translate it Link to post Share on other sites
tommy dave 1,184 Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 Release of scientific data Our initial release for consultation was of a summary science report that explained the science and the scientific process we carried out over the three years to arrive at the definition. However, stakeholders want to delve deeper and review the data. We are now making the data related to honey samples, nectar samples and marker stability available. they still seem very reluctant to release their methods in full. my guess is they don't want too much scrutiny on how they identified honey as 'manuka'. i mean, how do you identify markers in manuka honey if you don't have mono-floral manuka honey available (not just honey labelled that way without proof by producers!) in the first place?! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
jamesc 4,917 Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Bit like the chicken and the egg ? Link to post Share on other sites
Meerkatt 192 Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 yep... like "these dinosaur bones are 63 million years old because that's how old the rocks are... and we know the rocks are that old because they have 63million year old dinosaur bones in them..." Link to post Share on other sites
dean bristow 76 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 unlikelythe likes of comvita will have checked everything. they will have tested the sap. That could be a secret they've kept to them selves. I've seen bees gathering honey dew off the upper branches of Manuka and kanuka Link to post Share on other sites
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