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yea it was more the two mpi scientists response. like it must be your honey and analyticas problem. not the fact that there could be potential holes in there sceince when it comes to testing.

 

That was exactly what I got to.

MPI were like, well they're not an approved lab for the DNA test.

 

It's going to be interesting to see what happens there.

Someone's doing it wrong so who is it..

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today mpi said that analytica is not a approved testing place. because some one come with test results of a 18+ that had no manuka DNA at all. They said maybe that why the test failed.

 

Similar results are being obtained at Hill Laboratories.

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Could it be as simple as @Emissary said? Yes it's active Honey but no it's not got enough Manuka nectar to call it manuka or Manuka blend.

 

As has been mentioned before perhaps the "activity" comes from something else on the Manuka plant like the honeydew found on some Manuka?

So sooty mould may end up being very desirable

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Another email today, has some interesting info, so I've copies it here in full.

 

Hello everyone,

 

 

Extension of consultation to Tuesday 13 June 2017

 

MPI has extended its consultation on a scientific definition to authenticate New Zealand mānuka honey and the proposed new requirements for the export of bee products to 13 June 2017.

 

 

Consultation has been running for five weeks and was due to close on Tuesday 23 May, but following feedback from stakeholders during this time we have decided to release all of our scientific data.

 

 

 

Release of scientific data

 

Our initial release for consultation was of a summary science report that explained the science and the scientific process we carried out over the three years to arrive at the definition. However, stakeholders want to delve deeper and review the data.

 

 

We are now making the data related to honey samples, nectar samples and marker stability available.

 

 

If you would like to receive the data please indicate your interest by emailing:manuka.honey@mpi.govt.nz

 

 

Please note we are still working through a process to ensure the data is in a usable format and meets privacy, commercial and confidence requirements. At this stage we are planning on having the data available for release no later than Thursday 25 May 2017. We will send out another update once it is available.

 

 

 

Additional public meeting, date and time TBC

 

We will also hold a public meeting in Wellington to give you an opportunity to ask us questions about the data. Details will be posted on our website next week (week of 22 May) www.mpi.govt.nz/honeyconsultation

 

 

 

List of accredited labs

 

As at 16 May, the accredited labs are:

 

 

 

DNA testing

 

· Eurofins NZ Laboratory Services Limited

 

· R J Hill Laboratories Limited

 

Chemical testing

 

· R J Hill Laboratories Limited

 

· Analytica Laboratories Limited

 

For more details about the accredited labs visit: www.mpi.govt.nz/manuka-honey

 

 

 

Another update to follow

 

As noted above, we will send out another update next week confirming:

 

· Availability of data

 

· Date, time and place of public meeting in Wellington

 

Kind regards

 

Manuka honey programme team

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Release of scientific data

 

Our initial release for consultation was of a summary science report that explained the science and the scientific process we carried out over the three years to arrive at the definition. However, stakeholders want to delve deeper and review the data.

 

 

We are now making the data related to honey samples, nectar samples and marker stability available.

 

 

 

they still seem very reluctant to release their methods in full.

my guess is they don't want too much scrutiny on how they identified honey as 'manuka'.

 

i mean, how do you identify markers in manuka honey if you don't have mono-floral manuka honey available (not just honey labelled that way without proof by producers!) in the first place?!

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