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For decades, agro-chemical corporations likeBayer have been trying to convince us that we need bee-killing neonicotinoids, and that humans simply can’t feed ourselves without them. A scathing UN report just called that story a complete “myth.”

 

This report on pesticides is a bombshell. Its expert authors say in no uncertain terms: the “myth” that humans need any pesticides -- not just neonics -- to feed the world is being spread by the “unethical” practices of global corporations who consistently deny the science showing the harms of using these toxins to grow our food.

 

We don't need neonics to feed us. It's time for a global ban.

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After years of saying that neonics were killing the bees in Europe, they finally got neonicitinoids banned in some European countries around 2 years ago. There has been no increase in bee numbers since. Clearly they were using fake science.

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The linked article says that it is a myth that we need insecticides to feed the world. It is not a myth, this is more fake science. Since insecticide use became widespread, agriculture has in places turned to huge monocultures and food production of the world has increased massively. With no natural predators, and improved medical care, the human population has also increased massively, to meet food supply. Take away insecticides there would be mass starvation.

 

The answer is less people. In my opinion the world has FAR too many people. If the world population was reduced to say, 5 million, there would be plenty natural resources to go around, and huge areas could be returned to the use of wild animals.

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The linked article says that it is a myth that we need insecticides to feed the world. It is not a myth, this is more fake science. Since insecticide use became widespread, agriculture has in places turned to huge monocultures and food production of the world has increased massively. With no natural predators, and improved medical care, the human population has also increased massively, to meet food supply. Take away insecticides there would be mass starvation.

 

The answer is less people. In my opinion the world has FAR too many people. If the world population was reduced to say, 5 million, there would be plenty natural resources to go around, and huge areas could be returned to the use of wild animals.

If you follow your logic we should ban insecticides cause there would be a mass cull of the population.

I do agree that humans are so far down the path they have chosen to go to feed themselves that a uturn now would be catastrophic .

But do you think this path is sustainable for the long term .

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You have my logic correct. A smaller human population can, and has, existed without insecticides.

 

Do I think our path is sustainable for the long term? No. How can anyone think it is sustainable long term? The planet we live on is so big. The human population just keeps on growing. There is only so much room, we cannot indefinately grow the population. If we do not reduce population voluntarily, catastrophies plagues starvation pollution and warfare over resources will do it for us like it or not.

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Along the same lines. Gizzy now has a problem with keeping bees thriving on the flats and it's been given its own name "Gisborne Flats Disease".

 

The use of pesticides, herbicides on brassicas, lettuces, sweet corn, maize, citrus, kiwi fruit, apples and grapes (to name a few) must be at an all time high.

 

In the last five years or so we have seen the fences removed from cropping paddocks the crops pretty well go to the very edge of the road. The machinery seems to be able to get closer to the fences that remain. There are very few hedges left, only shelter belts that offer little to no forage for bees anyway.

 

After a couple of cases a few years back of poisoning of hives we no longer keep bees on the flats, the risks are just too high.

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I agree with the need for less people - although I don't propose to starve them by reducing food. Man should be able to think of a better way! (My old maths teacher suggested two house bricks to curb the enthusiasm of schoolboys .....)

 

Honeybees in the UK have done very well on neonic treated OSR (Canola) and beekeepers will take their bees TO OSR as bees do so well on them. Bring on the Rape, we say! So neonics are not as bad as some would suppose. I do have concerns about other bees and insects. After all neonics are insecticides and they are supposed to kill insects so we can have so much food that we waste a good proportion of it! Are they better or worse than anything else on the market that farmers can use? No one has said, it seems. We don't appear to have mass poisonings of honeybees in the UK as was reported 20 or more years ago before neonics were used. I would love the world to be nasty-chemical free. I am not convinced that it's an option.

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I prefer fewer people actually. It's what I was taught, and sounds better to.

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As much as I may bitch about our environment here I have to say that I do not have to deal with problems created by human behaviour.

Nature is still winning here and effectively drives most people out .

I do not know how I have lasted 40 yrs and what that says about me, it may not be flattering .

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Along the same lines. Gizzy now has a problem with keeping bees thriving on the flats and it's been given its own name "Gisborne Flats Disease".

 

The use of pesticides, herbicides on brassicas, lettuces, sweet corn, maize, citrus, kiwi fruit, apples and grapes (to name a few) must be at an all time high.

 

In the last five years or so we have seen the fences removed from cropping paddocks the crops pretty well go to the very edge of the road. The machinery seems to be able to get closer to the fences that remain. There are very few hedges left, only shelter belts that offer little to no forage for bees anyway.

 

After a couple of cases a few years back of poisoning of hives we no longer keep bees on the flats, the risks are just too high.

That's really sad.

In Europe they have stopped spraying roadsides I think and are starting to value wildness

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As much as I may bitch about our environment here I have to say that I do not have to deal with problems created by human behaviour.

Nature is still winning here and effectively drives most people out .

I do not know how I have lasted 40 yrs and what that says about me, it may not be flattering .

Well I can tell you if considering moving over here you have to be careful the traffic is starting to get horrendous in places.

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Well I can tell you if considering moving over here you have to be careful the traffic is starting to get horrendous in places.

The road at home is pretty busy these days.

Lots of giant motor homes , the drivers hit the gravel, freak out and drive at 10 klms an hour in the middle of the road till they can find a safe place to turn round.

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As much as I may bitch about our environment here I have to say that I do not have to deal with problems created by human behaviour.

Nature is still winning here and effectively drives most people out .

I do not know how I have lasted 40 yrs and what that says about me, it may not be flattering .

Can you drink the stream water without risk of Giardia?

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You have my logic correct. A smaller human population can, and has, existed without insecticides.

 

Do I think our path is sustainable for the long term? No. How can anyone think it is sustainable long term? The planet we live on is so big. The human population just keeps on growing. There is only so much room, we cannot indefinately grow the population. If we do not reduce population voluntarily, catastrophies plagues starvation pollution and warfare over resources will do it for us like it or not.

The biggest rat will eat the rest

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Can you drink the stream water without risk of Giardia?

Where does Giardia come from.

There are wild pigs sometimes. Maybe deer but no possums.

People run water from the creeks into their water tanks

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Where does Giardia come from.

There are wild pigs sometimes. Maybe deer but no possums.

People run water from the creeks into their water tanks

Giardia comes from tourists I think.

Then animals can spread it but I may be wrong.

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No tourists in hills here, only pig hunters and dope growers.

It's not Bush here , it's jungle

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I prefer fewer people actually. It's what I was taught, and sounds better to.

Well, if you insist! :)

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Can you drink the stream water without risk of Giardia?

Giardia is a bit like HSE, over blown. I've wandered all over Abel Tasman many times and made a point of guzzling the nearest water as required, never a problem. I read a report once that claimed about half the population of NZ were passive carriers

of the bug.

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I drink out of creeks all the time and I've never gotten sick from it, but then turns out mum and dads tank water had unsafe levels of ecoli and I also drank that for 13 years with no problems :rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

I did work with a lady who got giardia though and she was off work for months.

 

As for banning neonics, probably will never happen.

And as for less people..

If we were smart all contraception and abortions would be free and easy to get for anyone - I think a heck of a lot less people would breed and then it would only be the people breeding by choice.

It annoys me that the government here will essentially pay you to have children, what a joke, no shortage of people taking them up on the offer either.

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@Daley ,I think it depends on people's personal level of immunity.

People swim in the Ganges and obviously not all of them get sick, or do they.

I think I'd get pretty sick , but maybe not @yesbut .

Do you carry lots of drinking water with you when you are out checking hives.

Have you ever got so hot you have thrown yourself in a creek and swallowed the water

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@Daley ,I think it depends on people's personal level of immunity.

People swim in the Ganges and obviously not all of them get sick, or do they.

I think I'd get pretty sick , but maybe not @yesbut .

Do you carry lots of drinking water with you when you are out checking hives.

Have you ever got so hot you have thrown yourself in a creek and swallowed the water

I wouldn't drink out of just any creek, but I have a fair idea of which ones are dirty and which ones aren't, most of the rivers around here I don't like to swim in because they look pretty yuk, and there are huge eels in them.

 

I only like the ones with rocky bottoms, the awatere up the coast is nice or I'll swim in the waioweka, and I've drank out of plenty of creeks in there.

 

Yep I drink 2-3 litres just at work usually.

But I wouldn't be drinking the river water, if I'm up the hill on a farm though I might drink out of a tank from a spring which is for stock supply and I've never got sick from that either.

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I used to swim in the cow troughs when I was a kid, dad always used to catch me and give me a growling.

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I used to swim in the cow troughs when I was a kid, dad always used to catch me and give me a growling.

I think you should be planning your trip to India .

With a stomach like yours it would be a waste not to go .

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