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32 minutes ago, Stoney said:

Trying to help solve some mysteries.. 

 

i recon Gino has hit the nail on the head with the autumn Dew. 

 

So, is the answer to maybe feed some pollen patties in the autumn.

 

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Nope .... we been running bees on the dew for over thirty years now ..... which is why we run them as doubles. 

This is a puzzle and a mystery ...

Would anyone be interested in crowd funding a little cash to a lab time to test for external chemical  residues .....

 

I suppose if we had a levy I could go to APINZ

 

Lets assume the staples work.

many of the hives had young queens

Many of the hives came back from the coast and the canterbury flatlands.

 

The coast had a 1080 program last year.

Canterbury had a spray regime on fodder beet, kale,radishes and seed clover.

 

Science in action .

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25 minutes ago, Trevor Gillbanks said:

So, is the answer to maybe feed some pollen patties in the autumn.

 

They can literally goo themselves to death, packing out the entire brood nest. 

Some keepers pull the excluders to let her run brood upstairs to avoid bogging and running outta puff. 

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31 minutes ago, Trevor Gillbanks said:

So, is the answer to maybe feed some pollen patties in the autumn.

 

A YouTuber in Canada, Ian Steppler, tried supplemental protein in autumn. Found very little boost on brood. He reckoned the natural stuff kept Q going. @jamesc, maybe the combination of factors. Are your dew sites always large? Or bigger than norm last season. Dew country is usually low in protein

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Protein is never a problem.  We are over run with gorse . I will say no more.

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7 minutes ago, Gino de Graaf said:

A YouTuber in Canada, Ian Steppler, tried supplemental protein in autumn. Found very little boost on brood. He reckoned the natural stuff kept Q going. @jamesc, maybe the combination of factors. Are your dew sites always large? Or bigger than norm last season. Dew country is usually low in protein

 

The time to feed it is when there is no natural source available and it is then shown to provide a benefit (via Randy Oliver). 

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39 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Many of the hives came back from the coast and the canterbury flatlands.

The coast had a 1080 program last year.

Canterbury had a spray regime on fodder beet, kale,radishes and seed clover.

were there some other beekeepers who had similar exposures and who treated with something else? Are they all fine?

I'm sorry for whatever it is that has happened, but all the best.

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Dunno .... we don't talk to our neighbours ..... probably much the same as the rest of the country ...eh.

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45 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Dunno .... we don't talk to our neighbours ..... probably much the same as the rest of the country ...eh.

Can you insure your hives against those sort of losses ?

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Back at ground zero counting mites...

the staples have’nt dented them... so out with the old and in withe new....Apitraz

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15 hours ago, jamesc said:

Dunno .... we don't talk to our neighbours ..... probably much the same as the rest of the country ...eh.

So true... 

15 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Back at ground zero counting mites...

the staples have’nt dented them... so out with the old and in withe new....Apitraz

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Did you forget the acid??? 

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15 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Back at ground zero counting mites...

the staples have’nt dented them... so out with the old and in withe new....Apitraz

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How long have the staples been in?

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All winter

then replaced on 23/8

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Basics

28-11=17

21-11= 10

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1 hour ago, jamesc said:

Back at ground zero counting mites...

the staples have’nt dented them... so out with the old and in withe new....Apitraz

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Man. I haven’t seen mites in drone brood like that since before I started using staples!

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5 hours ago, Philbee said:

Basics

28-11=17

21-11= 10

Okay ..... so what does this mean  ..... I know for a fact that 0-0=0,  just like 0+0=0.

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I was never any good with math.. in fact, my  math teacher would refer me to another class as soon as I walked in the room.. 

but Im pretty sure you gotta have ya treatment in over a cycle or 2 ... plus 1 or minus 1 or something.. 

anyway, them little crawlies are gonna keep showing up til they all been zapped... which takes a cycle or two.. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Stoney said:

I was never any good with math.. in fact, my  math teacher would refer me to another class as soon as I walked in the room.. 

but Im pretty sure you gotta have ya treatment in over a cycle or 2 ... plus 1 or minus 1 or something.. 

anyway, them little crawlies are gonna keep showing up til they all been zapped... which takes a cycle or two.. 

 

You got it Stoney 

Its basic Beekeeping maths

If Drone brood is capped 14 days before emergence you cant judge efficacy or effectiveness on treatment day 13.

Even if all your ducks are lined up you need 8-10 weeks and in this case the ducks are all drunk
 

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The thing is , changing to chemicals is going to have the same delay in killing mites as the staples  while the brood is full of them , if the chems even work .

Formic acid will kill mites in brood 

 

Which ever way you look at it , that hive is going to take a hit before it improves .

 

Whats your OA/ Gl ratio @jamesc

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10 hours ago, M4tt said:

The thing is , changing to chemicals is going to have the same delay in killing mites as the staples  while the brood is full of them , if the chems even work .

Formic acid will kill mites in brood 

 

Which ever way you look at it , that hive is going to take a hit before it improves .

 

Whats your OA/ Gl ratio @jamesc

True ..... but I decided  I could'nt put the fire out with the garden hose, so I called the fire brigade.

I need to check Philbees  fact sheet ..... but from memory the ratio is 2.8kg o/a - 5.2kg glycerine.

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12 hours ago, Philbee said:

You got it Stoney 

Its basic Beekeeping maths

If Drone brood is capped 14 days before emergence you cant judge efficacy or effectiveness on treatment day 13.

Even if all your ducks are lined up you need 8-10 weeks and in this case the ducks are all drunk
 

True .... the duck maybe drunk .... but as that fellow Wnston Churchill once said....

"Madam .... you are correct. I am drunk, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be [an] ugly [duck]."

 

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I have had a mixed result with my hives and staple treatments-  though on the whole I am pretty happy - I have hives pumping with 3-4 boxes of bees and brood and then others that have shrunk down and not made it.   I started using staples beginning of last season.  Of my dead hives I am wondering if the older wax frames are the culprits- I figure there is residue of older treatments in the wax and that might cause some of the problems?

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8 hours ago, Bees said:

I have had a mixed result with my hives and staple treatments-  though on the whole I am pretty happy - I have hives pumping with 3-4 boxes of bees and brood and then others that have shrunk down and not made it.   I started using staples beginning of last season.  Of my dead hives I am wondering if the older wax frames are the culprits- I figure there is residue of older treatments in the wax and that might cause some of the problems?

I am wondering if varroa death masked other problems and were an explaination for many failures.

Take away varroa and the other Problems expose themselves .

 

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55 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

I am wondering if varroa death masked other problems and were an explaination for many failures.

Take away varroa and the other Problems expose themselves .

 

 

We never had varroa deaths Bayvarol and Apivar are still doing the job.

Theres definitely two very different experiences with staples going on.

 

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4 minutes ago, frazzledfozzle said:

 

We never had varroa deaths Bayvarol and Apivar are still doing the job.

Theres definitely two very different experiences with staples going on.

 

I got some staples made by someone who knew what they were doing and they did ok for me .

I am reluctant to make my own now though.

Reading about the unpredictable results .

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