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14 minutes ago, dansar said:

Of note though are splits that had Oxalic strips in with a queen cell, all bar 1 out of 10 failed

This is exactly what happened to me.  Though over 60+ hives.  No one else seemed to have any issues and I knew for sure there was a negative relationship between ox staples and cells.

Possibly a late summer/autumn issue.  If anyone else placed cells to requeen/split at the same time as Ox staples please share.... 

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10 hours ago, Gino de Graaf said:

This is exactly what happened to me.  Though over 60+ hives.  No one else seemed to have any issues and I knew for sure there was a negative relationship between ox staples and cells.

Possibly a late summer/autumn issue.  If anyone else placed cells to requeen/split at the same time as Ox staples please share.... 

What we generally do when splitting/ making nucs etc is hold fire with varroa treatements until after the queen has started laying.  Saves a bit of money , eh.

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tested 3 sites yesterday committed to Ox/Gib-  found 2 mites, that's it. 

These sites are also on a trail for protected cells, which were put in End of Feb.  Was a bit nervous considering the rubbish results from cell requeens + Ox/Gib. 

Total 5 sites or 100 odd hives in Ox/gib trail.  All were protected celled at same time.  A few obvious duds- at a guess 10% which is what I would expect- queenless or drone layers.

Also did a tally up, and I have too many hives.... last spring was great and I filled gear.... now to consider bringing some back some how. 

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All good but Ive been cautioning Beeks who have been calling me for help in the last 7 days

As the weather gets colder as it is on the central plateau Im nervous about adding Staples.
On frosty mornings Staples that are not well covered by Bees will absorb water and then drip out which stresses the Hive.
IMO the staples need to run into the cold not be added during the cold damp weather.
My advice has been that if Beeks want to treat now with Staples they do a small trial first and see how the Bees react

 

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2 hours ago, Philbee said:

All good but Ive been cautioning Beeks who have been calling me for help in the last 7 days

As the weather gets colder as it is on the central plateau Im nervous about adding Staples.
On frosty mornings Staples that are not well covered by Bees will absorb water and then drip out which stresses the Hive.
IMO the staples need to run into the cold not be added during the cold damp weather.
My advice has been that if Beeks want to treat now with Staples they do a small trial first and see how the Bees react

 

During my trips around hives I have been moving strips in from the edges because of that observation. The outside strips were way out on honey frames less bees are out there and seemed softer = higher water content, they are now placed in the central brood/cluster area in a diamond orientation around the center 5 frames.

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55 minutes ago, dansar said:

During my trips around hives I have been moving strips in from the edges because of that observation. The outside strips were way out on honey frames less bees are out there and seemed softer = higher water content, they are now placed in the central brood/cluster area in a diamond orientation around the center 5 frames.

Good move
That Glycerine is interesting stuff.

A few days ago I dropped a set of scales into a pail of Glycerine and even though I cleaned them up really well, every morning the scales are covered in water droplets.


 

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3 hours ago, dansar said:

The outside strips were way out on honey frames less bees are out there 

"Fewer " bees please. I shouldn't have to point that out to a staffer.

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8 hours ago, Philbee said:

All good but Ive been cautioning Beeks who have been calling me for help in the last 7 days

As the weather gets colder as it is on the central plateau Im nervous about adding Staples.
On frosty mornings Staples that are not well covered by Bees will absorb water and then drip out which stresses the Hive.
IMO the staples need to run into the cold not be added during the cold damp weather.
My advice has been that if Beeks want to treat now with Staples they do a small trial first and see how the Bees react

 

My bees had no problem with the strips .

The queen has layed under them .

No dead bees , even in my strong hive where there was a concern it might be too much .

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4 hours ago, yesbut said:

"Fewer " bees please. I shouldn't have to point that out to a staffer.

By golly gosh your not wrong I didnt wrote that sentence right.

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2 hours ago, kaihoka said:

My bees had no problem with the strips .

The queen has layed under them .

No dead bees , even in my strong hive where there was a concern it might be too much .

Good healthy Hives dont miss a beat but not all hives are as good as they look and sometimes the stars line up for an unfortunate result.
 

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2 minutes ago, Philbee said:

Good healthy Hives dont miss a beat but not all hives are as good as they look and sometimes the stars line up for an unfortunate result.
 

I think despite the difficult environmental conditions I have here I do not have all the disease problems other beeks have .

There is only ever me and two other beeks here . Both of those guys are are experienced professional operations.

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8 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

I think despite the difficult environmental conditions I have here I do not have all the disease problems other beeks have .

There is only ever me and two other beeks here . Both of those guys are are experienced professional operations.

Aah ... Yesbutt .... it seems that the hive has taken a hammering.   Just saying.

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2 minutes ago, jamesc said:

Aah ... Yesbutt .... it seems that the hive has taken a hammering.   Just saying.

True , but it wasnt disease it was my bad management .

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5 minutes ago, kaihoka said:

True , but it wasnt disease it was my bad management .

ok ... real mama.

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8 hours ago, kaihoka said:

I do not have all the disease problems other beeks have .

There is only ever me and two other beeks here . Both of those guys are are experienced professional operations.

Don’t be fooled Kaihoka... experienced professional operations still deal with disease.. and bees can still swarm..  

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1 hour ago, Stoney said:

Don’t be fooled Kaihoka... experienced professional operations still deal with disease.. and bees can still swarm..  

That is true .

But when I read on the forum about all the experiences people have with cow boy operations I am grateful we have decent operators around us .

I wish they did swarm more . I check their sites regularly .

I think cause they do not arrive till after kiwi fruit pollination swarming is nearly over .

 

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10 hours ago, kaihoka said:

 

I wish they did swarm more . I check their sites regularly .

I think cause they do not arrive till after kiwi fruit pollination swarming is nearly over .

 

I’m always amazed with our southwestland bees, they swarm like crazy sometimes entire sites have gone.. I take a stroll into the rainforest for a nosey but they just vanish.. 

extremely strong intense flows with off on weather, see ya later.. 

we run them as double FD brood. 

Its a complete different ball game to east coast permanents. Always a treat to spend a few days in the bush working those thumpers. 

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1 hour ago, Stoney said:

I’m always amazed with our southwestland bees, they swarm like crazy sometimes entire sites have gone.. I take a stroll into the rainforest for a nosey but they just vanish.. 

extremely strong intense flows with off on weather, see ya later.. 

we run them as double FD brood. 

Its a complete different ball game to east coast permanents. Always a treat to spend a few days in the bush working those thumpers. 

I am very lucky to catch a swarm here .

They head for the highest rata normally .

Can not see don using 5 ladders to catch one of my swarms .:4_joy:

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On 19/04/2019 at 10:51 AM, Philbee said:

All good but Ive been cautioning Beeks who have been calling me for help in the last 7 days

As the weather gets colder as it is on the central plateau Im nervous about adding Staples.
On frosty mornings Staples that are not well covered by Bees will absorb water and then drip out which stresses the Hive.
IMO the staples need to run into the cold not be added during the cold damp weather.
My advice has been that if Beeks want to treat now with Staples they do a small trial first and see how the Bees react

 

I've just joined the staples brigade.  Been following this thread for a while and talking to others in the local bee club who are converts.  Only two strong 2 FD brood hives that have had Apivar and Bayvarol treatments for years.  I take honey off late in the season so my autumn treatments start late.  Put strips in 3 per box. Washed 98/225 pre treatment (but no obvious signs of DWV or other problems) so will definitely look for improvement and Nikki's experience here has given me cause for hope.

On 19/04/2019 at 8:59 AM, nikki watts said:

Im a very happy beekeeper. 👍👍👍

When should I do my next wash to check?

I have one Hive doctor base and one SS mesh floor.  There is seepage from the HDoctor base, so thinking staples have absorbed water and are dripping, and it's not really cold here yet. Thoughts/recommended actions?

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