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  2. Hi Mark - What is your idea of a workshop? Don't have time during smoko to find the original edition of the little yellow book, but I am fairly certain that we were told that swarms pre varroa were not a major AFB issue. In the depths of my mind, I think I recall under a 10% chance of AFB, but I could be wrong on this. Whilst they were not a major source of AFB, I still quarantine for two seasons, and yes twice over a 20 year period I had swarms with AFB. I have been at talks post varroa where the decrease of swarms has been lamented because it decreases the genetic pool. I have not studied this, so not sure whether it's bunkum or not. Perhaps the media could be utilised more re AFB.
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  4. Eeek, I thought I read that on this forum, but now that you ask me, I can't pinpoint a document, it was a very long time ago for sure. I took it as true and always thought that is how all these strips work. Didn't we all know this? Someone, help !? Let me quote a bit about Bayvarol from the internet, I hope this is saying the same thing as me, but in a different way.. The last sentence is the important one for the brood cells.. Bayvarol Strips rely on a novel method of delivery to provide diagnosis and control. Treatment is by means of plastic strips impregnated with an active ingredient which destroys the mites on contact. The strips are specially designed to be suspended in the spaces between the combs in the central brood-rearing area. Bees crawling over them distribute the active ingredient throughout the whole colony by physical contact, giving fast control of existing mites, and lasting control of those which hatch with the young bees from the sealed brood.
  5. Your isolation gives a limited view unfortunately - up here, there was an utter scoundrel who spread AFB incredibly widely badly with managed rentals on ones and twos and numbering well in the hundreds, who refused to believe that just removing the frame with visual AFB. They spend years trying to eliminate that fellow, and the infected gear kept on turning up and being sold under a range of aliases. If there was a buy back, I think the same thing would happen - beek would be paid out, but would not burn all the gear. Think about the gear suppliers - they would suddenly have little or no market, as there would be used gear free for the taking, or else, someone would have to go out and euthanise thousands of hives, and burn the lot - I wouldn't want to do that, and I think it would cause an uproar in the media.
  6. @chrism good info haven't heard that before re miticide in cells, where did you get your info from? Would be interested in reading it.
  7. Very good explanation Chris 👍. I see where Matt was coming from now. 🙂
  8. (The post was in relation to Matt inserting strips in proportion to brood.) IMO Matt was exactly right. I insert a leg of tape down every seam of brood. You are half right to say OA only kills phoretic mites, that is certainly true of OAV vapour. But if you consider any long term treatment such as apivar or bayvarol those rub on the bees and only kill phoretic mites too... One can't puncture the brood to insert bayvarol strips in cells!! The miticide (any) is rubbed on the bees and in cleaning cells some miticide is deposited on the cell wall and later kills the mites trying to develop in the capped brood cell. That is the whole point of these OAG tapes and not using OAV. So in this regards the OAG tapes are no different to other strip treatments; just to spread around the active ingredient so it gets into 'clean' brood cells waiting for an egg. Phoretic mites are something of a barometer for washes and shakes, but not really the problem when they will eventually die of old age, the problem are mites breeding and ~doubling in population in the brood every three weeks. So our focus should be on the brood and on nurse bees looking after the brood.
  9. Wild hives were a major AFB issue pre varroa. Now, based on personal experience i believe they are overated as a source. They are a source, but a small one compared to kept hives. The majority of swarms that establish in the wild are killed by varroa before they have time to develop major AFB. If they die with an AFB infection it will be early stage. Wax moths then move in. Varroa mites did us a favour in that regard. Eliminated wild hives, and eliminated leave it alone beekeepers.
  10. Dont speak too soon, this summer could see Mites get wildly out of control and as a good Beek commented recently, Spring starts in Feb so when the mites get away on us this Summer it will affect the next Spring build up and also the financial viability of the outfits who have done a good job of fighting the Mites to that date. Having spent thousands of dollars on Mite control, the collapsing hives will simply reinfect the clean Hives by April/May. Those 30 inspectors dont have a hope of holding back the AFB effects of a collapsing industry. Its too late now as the Enemy is literally at the door IMO With regard Buy downs These sort of deals would have conditions and would ideally be tied into Hive caps and Quotas Not popular subjects I know. What the Bean counters also need to factor in is the ongoing effects of AFB Swarms setting up camp in the wild. One of the effects of abandoned or Idling Hives will be Swarms This expands the AFB problem. So for anyone just thinking that the problems will be solved by natural attrition, they may not be.
  11. I went recently to a refresher course. I didn't have to resit the test. I was rather surprised that there has not been any follow up from the AFBPMP with a customer survey. In this instance attendees are the customer and a modern organisation should be seeking this feedback. I think the part time inspectors do an amazing job. It is not easy work. But these inspections are not the only programme that AFB is picked up on. There is quite a bit found on Exotic Surveillance Programmes, and I definitely know this for a fact because for many years I undertook this Surveillance.
  12. I'll agree that it "seems" to be not working. But in fact it is working. The fact that we now have 5 times the hive density we did a few years ago, with a huge increase in migratory beekeeping, but AFB rates have not massively increased, shows it is working. Over the last year we have seen enough incidents (only some reported), of AFB issues about to explode, that have been extinguished only by the actions of the AFBPMP. And the people who did not get AFB because of these actions are generally unaware. The AFBPMP is "keeping a lid on", but failing to achieve total eradication. Because total eradication cannot be achieved by 30 part time inspectors. It requires better work from all beekeepers.
  13. That beautiful . What is the pink flowers . How far south does the echium grow .?
  14. Borage.....perpetuating the myth.......
  15. Borage is putting on a bit of a show... Rata is coming slowly....a bit of a case of wait and see. paddocks of clovet that hsd potential last week are now done. where to next Kimosabhe?
  16. so the AFB strategy seems to not be working. I had the same thought when I read all those AFB case studies in the Journal... the AFB elimination approach (has a similar endeavour ever worked out anywhere and anywhen in human history ?) relies that all beekeepers engage and work together. Plenty of Beekeepers seem to continue to ignore every procedure related to AFB management (its a miracle they still manage to keep the mites at bay) as long as those few Individuals (and most importantly the ones you do not know about) are not prosecuted properly and made to stop their damaging practices you can throw as much taxpayers money at the problem as you want. also seems to be very common to just leave hives somewhere and not care about (and not even register) them even when the owners are found why are they not prosecuted?
  17. But like i said, it won't happen. . Let's explain a little further. We would all like to see less hives. But there are two obvious reasons why a "buy down" will not happen. They are logistical, and financial. Logistics, are that counting unreported hives, there are over a million hives in NZ. Let's say the govt bought 300,000 or 400,000 hives to reduce hive numbers to 700,000, or 600,000. What would happen to those 300,000 or 400,000 hives that the govt bought? They would not just be burned bees and all, that is far too wasteful and would be unpalatable. Where would the hives be put? Who would manage them? If a corporate manager was put in charge, you can bet they would not be managed as well as they were under their original owners. In addition, bees reproduce rapidly and there are still beekeepers merrily making splits. Let's say hive numbers were "bought down" to 700,000. It would not take long for beekepers seeing empty places now available to put hives, to bring numbers straight back up to a million again. Financial. We are not dairy farmers who have millions of taxpayer dollars paid to us when there is a problem. We are beekeepers and as such we traditionally get nothing. The money for a "buy down" will not happen. If a reduction in hive numbers does happen, it will be by natural attrition and financial hardship. The powers that be know that, and have essentially been advised of that by our representatives.
  18. Money, Money, Money, the public must pay and until the Minister can sort that nothing will improve. Unless of course the coming global slow down is so severe that we reduce to 450000 Hives. However that will mean the abandonment of so many Hives its frightening to think about. So either way, logic dictates that the problem will get significantly worse before it gets better IMO
  19. Well yes. Same as the assumption in your post. I just expressed it in a few simple words, instead of many words and complex diagrams. 1 to 1 1/2. Simple enough that people can easily do it without having to understand calculus, and get the same result. 😄
  20. The answer Phil is more money for the AFBPMP. But that's not going to happen because back when more money was asked for, the moaning, crying, and general uproar the request generated meant the extra money didn't happen. And this was when beekeepers were making good money. So, what hope now? Probably none. However the fact that the handful of AFBPMP inspectors found a full one third of all AFB that was found in the country, is not just a sterling effort on their behalf, it is an incredible, astounding, amazing effort by those few part timers. I just find it hard to tolerate the endless critisism thrown at the program. It is unfounded and ignorant. That is not refering to the OP, he raises some very good points. I am referring to the other dribble that gets posted.
  21. You are making the assumption that 40% is a given and it may not be? Other than that your simple calc is great.
  22. And the answer is? The status Quo will see you posting this every two years for ever. You may as well copy it to a jpeg file and save yourself the future typing
  23. Exactly right Chris. I do get annoyed with a lot of the moaning i hear about the AFBPMP. Beekeepers are legally required to sort their own stuff in relation to AFB, and if they all did, we would be virtually free of the disease in perhaps 3 years. The AFBPMP is a beekeeper funded program essentially to deal with non compliant beekeepers, on the behalf of the majority of beekeepers who are compliant and are doing what they are supposed to be doing. But are subject to disease and expense because of the few who do not play ball. There HAS to be a monitoring program because just one non compliant beekeeper can cause so much damage. But some folks have the idea that our AFB statistics are caused by poor management at the AFBPMP. Our poor statistics are caused by poor beekeepers. I have said this before, but last years figures were that there were over 6,000 beekeepers, and just over 30 inspectors (who are very part time). You would think with those numbers and all those beekeepers checking their hives, that virtually all the AFB would have been found by the 6,000 beekeepers. But no. Fully a third of AFB that was found was found by the handful of inspectors. The inspectors are stretched very thin, so my personal assumption is that this very poor showing by the 6,000 beekeepers must mean that a whole lot of AFB did not get found at all. And in fact we know that, by the ongoing rate of infections. That may seem harsh but it's the facts and i find it very discouraging. Should say though that it is not an indictment on all beekeepers because most of us are trying pretty hard. But some are not.
  24. Can't say Ive seen sth island east coast bait but they sure are a good size on the westcoast,but have caught very nice bait in the BOP and waikato also. Dont think the new regulations will effect me much. If it helps protect the fishery and we all can put a six month supply in the freezer then all good i say. Whitebaiting cows? Seen a few in the river, wondered why they were there, now I know. Have shot a couple with 270 but use a 7mm08 for that. Bullet stays in the head,not so messy. As to where i am, im 30ks inland of Hokitika on a farm beside a lake souroundered by bush. No neighbors. And as for rearing queens in numbers i try not to, a single brood i have has just produced a couple that ive had to run around catching. Yay. The pumpkin thing sounds a bit dangerous.
  25. Talk is cheap. nothing will come of this sort of talk and thats a fact Then they have a way blown out idea of their goals
  26. I read an article that bees can get drunk too.. In fact funny to hear that they act similar to humans, being bully and annoying. Also got corralled by other bees in some corner until they get sober. It wasn't written how they cope with hangover though..
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